Rocksmith 2014 Championship Week 563

[jimmy655]

 

[pedropmf]

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[johnal]

[johnal]

[johnal]

 

Did not seem too hard, but, could not sight read this well.  RR time...

[Mikson]

I started with E-std songs

Fun chart, it is quite repetitive so it can be learned. 4 is a good rating.

I don't know when I last played this song, maybe 2 years ago? When I added it back to my DLC's list I saw these scores:

I tried lead again 2 times and each time I got the same score  I don't know if I can do 90% here, I think now that this solo deserves a difficulty rating of 7.5.

Funny that we have 2 songs in a similar disco style this week. The difficulty here is the often repeated fast licks. 7.5-8. is ok.

[palms46]

I'm obviously not a regular participant in the RS Championship, but after seeing my Tug-O-War charts as part of this weeks selections I felt inspired to play through them again. It's been a long, hot minute since I've played the charts following my last update to them. I'm clearly a big Chevelle fan and familiar with the song, but I definitely forgot about the momentous ending since I've last played these. For what it's worth, here's how things turned out for me this evening:

Lead - 

Rhythm (not as good as my last attempt at some point in the past) - 

***On the Rhythm chart, deepest apologies for the errant fingering notation for these A#sus2 strums. Should be finger 1 and 3 (not finger 1 and 4). Not sure how I previously missed that.  

Bass - 

Lastly, if any of you dedicated Champions happen to play through any of my charts and spot a need for correction (no matter how minor), please be sure to let me know. Good feedback is always 100% appreciated!

-palms

[jimmy655]

[pedropmf]

hi

[avastreg]

hello! great selection @ cacahuate51 !

i'm surprised no one mentioned the not so famous metal cover of Rasputin by Turisas
The original is cool but this version is so much fun 

https://ignition4.customsforge.com/cdlc/4653

 

[Guest]

Got a little better, nice to see someone beat this flawlessly on Lead.

 

 

[Vodka]

Hello everyone and have a nice musweek!

I return from a vocation with a huge mood to play guitar. But something's going wrong. 

Well I really tried to play beginners song and I really don't like it. Don't know. It seems not so hard but completely not fun for me. I haven't captured my best streak so this one final for today 

 

Hope next tries gonna be more pleasant for me... 

 

 

[johnal]

[cacahuate51]

6 hours ago, avastreg said:

hello! great selection @ cacahuate51 !

i'm surprised no one mentioned the not so famous metal cover of Rasputin by Turisas
The original is cool but this version is so much fun 

https://ignition4.customsforge.com/cdlc/4653

very cool! wasnt aware of this version and neat that theres a psarc of it! i wonder if its been updated since a couple of the latest comments says the intro is out of sync. Eitherways will definatley give it a go /m/ thanks for recomendation

[avastreg]

2 hours ago, cacahuate51 said:

very cool! wasnt aware of this version and neat that theres a psarc of it! i wonder if its been updated since a couple of the latest comments says the intro is out of sync. Eitherways will definatley give it a go /m/ thanks for recomendation

yeah I didn't test it, I listened to that cover a lot of times in the years. Discovered it casually with spotify radios
I'm not suggesting to change

[cacahuate51]

lead test scores:

aparrently i didnt take a picture of my first run for ride like a wind but i got like 84%

not the competition song and does have some issues. Still fun to play and i always find covers with a genre switchup interesting, fun to see what they change and keep. I enjoyed it/ playing and listening

[cacahuate51]

bass test

[cacahuate51]

couldnt find the standard tunning for this one but it was along ish same score



couldnt find the 3 tries so i played it again  i feel like i hit the chords and it doesnt recognise them..but it must be a me issue since theres people here whove gotten 99

again couldnt find ss so i played it a couple of times. Theres definatley some things that could be switched in the tab to make it easier...the main one is after the  b chord on the 2 fret theres a little passing notes on the orange string 4 to 7 

the 7 can just be a 3 purple. weirdly i was playing it wrong i was doing a 2 purple hammeron 3 and it still registered as right even tho the 2 isnt the same as 4 orange...but didnt sound too bad lol. i guess it was just counting the 4 from the last chord played since it has one in it.

fun song tho
 

[Rodman]

19 hours ago, cacahuate51 said:

Cool! thanks @ Rodman for elaborating why you think it should be int and based off other peoples feedback seems like they agree and i kinda goofed up on the ratings this week.
not sure wether to respond here or in the compendium since you are using examples of tug o war

 i do agree with you (and as i stated at the begining of the week)  chevelle is more likely an intermediate song 4+.. but at the time of posting i believed it to be more simple than the other beg ones i tested (kinda changin my mind tho ha L:) but thats why knowing it could be a bit harder i put it in beginner at 3.5 since thats the highest i think possible? and not a 3  


With everything i think context is important..

the bends- i generally agree bends probably should be intermediate...i personally forgot about them... i went to replay it and for 1131 notes in the rhythm path  theres only 5 bends (the ones in the pic) and once on a 10 in the begining so thats around 0.44 % if you miss them all which isnt alot.....same goes with lead only lead has around 1170 ish ?

imo its not common enough to make it intermediate and as stated in the compendium 

"Exception can be made here eventually if there is a eg. VERY short (surely not 50+ notes) "
also
almost NO harmonics or other tech notes

 i went with almost..since bends are tech notes...also the bend isnt even a full bend its the simplest bend you can do


the pinky riff-   i consider the most comon shapes for a riff on a single string or 2 like the one above being variations of :
 
the r riff ( fret pointer finger , skip fret , fret with RING finger, fret pinky)
the m (fret pointer finger, skip fret , fret middle, skip fret, fret pinky shape looks like an m or w i say m for metal kinda corny but wtver xD)
and the n riff ( fret pointer , fret with middle, skip, fret pinky)

most of this song uses variations of the n riff (the main riff as you are pivoting between pointer and middle you just ommit the pinky of the shape)  and the r riff...the image above would be an example of the r riff.

Even though you are using the pinky it should be a comon shape, and infact the r riff is one of the first riffs you learn in rocksmith 2012 since "i cant get no satifaction" is the first  tutorial song when setting up the game/ initializing a profile / riff you play...ii think its also the first song in 2014 but not sure. 

Its also posibly the "solo" or outro melody with least notes, short, and is relatively slower than some parts of the song...which i think makes it doable..
but i can see your point of view how two string may be a bit confusing..

still should be easier than some of the riffs i had tested out..for example easier than taylor swift shake it off song which has n riffs on 3 strings instead of 2/ was another song i had tested....its a bit slow so it does have that going for it but i thought it was a bit more string skipping for a beginner and theres also some notes that are off...left a comment maybe hell revisit it.


r riff:




Octaves:
i think atleast for the compendium..it should depend on fretting, speed, positioning, repitition and amount.

Fretting- its using a standard octave (also arguably i would say this shape is the second chord shape youd learn... first being power chords...then octaves since its a simplified power chord in standard tuning atleast this one...and the campfire chords..) 

not a orange purple octave like this other beginner song which i tested and considered but opted out cause i think the cdlc could be improved....personally think the main riff  could be moved to different strings to play easier, couple missing slides on the power chords, some notes should be muted and they arent, and other nit picky things. I thought bout doing my own version and letting suun have it if they wanted but its just time i might not have.

buuuut honestly in hindsight mightve been an easier song to 100% since it repeats way more often  and maybe i shouldnt be too harsh when playing others cdlc?... it is a fun song to play and its decent enough but i just wanted to use something in the competition that i personally didnt see things that could be improved with.



also, if a song has a bit more complex chords but is slow/ not that many notes is that begginner or higher? cause another beg song i had tested out was calvin harris (good tab, didnt see anything that could be improved/ was considering it and do think it should be in competition eventually) but wasnt sure about grading cause it is mostly just 2 chords throughout but not sure if begginners would use those chords?  and theres also some full bends...might be too simple for intermediate? so thats why i left it out heres example: 

i remember ting tings shut up and let me go being begginer aswell...and that one had similar chords...but maybe only the version i made which wasnt featured....perhaps the one for the championship didnt have these chords.

but yea still just curious..
anyways back to it:

positioning- its just doing an N riff (what most of the song is) but in octaves 7 , 8, 10 so it shouldnt be too bad

Speed- here ill give you the benefit of the doubt. its fast for a begginer.

amount- theres 130 notes...so yea thats 10% right there xD so fair argument here. 



The reason i had initially given it a 4 was

speed: its a fastish song and requires stamina.

Note wise: 1171/1131 notes...is alot of notes to 100% and i think regardless of the dificulty  ... the more notes there are the more likely you are able to mess up right?
 in hindsight and with people posting scores i can see why people can consider this one harder than what is love is since it only has 814 notes...so 300 less.

fretting past 12: although theoritically it should be easier to fret..sometimes its easier to get lost with the numbers and i think it might be harder for begginners.

Sections: theres probably like 5? intro, intro with power chords, chorus, break, chorus modified? not too many but theres songs with less sections.

pretty fast chord changes like this one can goof up on although its jut one finger powerchords so thats why i didnt think it was too bad: 



moving from 3 to 16 might be easy to get lost for a begginer. ( do appreciate palm for making it a unpitched slide. good cdlc)

what is love is actually the 4th song that i tested in begginer category...but i remember finding this song hard to play a long time ago..  uses all 6 strings, theres alot more string skipping in the riffs, more fret movement/shifting than a usual beginer song i think, the bend is a full step rather than a small one like in chevelle, double stops, kinda fast... so thats why i put it in intermediate. There are fewer sections/repeats and less notes like mentioned before so it is easier to fc..so yea kinda tough to grade songs  

not too sure if there was a point to any of this lol....  guess i just wanted to explain the situation...hopefully doesnt come off as a rant or in bad taste. but yea i dont mind switching numbers if you guys think they should be switched places..and if i can do that? not sure if i can yet xD



 

Yes. And thanks for getting into that topic.

A few replies to the in-depth tech diff stuff...

First of all - the "objective" (if there is such a thing) diff of all parts played vastly depends on the speed of the song and the time you get for the changes of course.

I think the pinky part of Satisfaction is (2.5) - it only uses one string and is quite slow.

I think the part below is way harder - 3 strings, you enter with the tech note, stringskip to pinky and then n-Riff over 2 strings.
The time players stay in Beginner class if they compete regularly is only several weeks, much much shorter than in any upper class. The definition of a difficulty is the player of that level can master (learn to play it fluently and make it sound right within reasonable time ~ maybe a few dozens of plays of the section). Given that i think the below belongs rather to the very beginning of the players intermediate adventure.

Octaves...

"Fretting- its using a standard octave (also arguably i would say this shape is the second chord shape youd learn... first being power chords...then octaves since its a simplified power chord in standard tuning atleast this one...and the campfire chords..)"

well i´d argue that to play an octave sound right you gotta mute the middle string with your pointer which i´d put into intermediate techniques.

 

Bends...

"imo its not common enough to make it intermediate and as stated in the compendium
"Exception can be made here eventually if there is a eg. VERY short (surely not 50+ notes) "
also
almost NO harmonics or other tech notes
 i went with almost..since bends are tech notes...also the bend isnt even a full bend its the simplest bend you can do"
absolutely - won´t make the song a (4) cause it´s very short but the part by itself  is rather a (4)

chords:

imo chordshapes like that absolutely not beginner stuff, high int

 

I don´t think there are songs to be switched. Great week, great selection, great diff ratings.

Rod.

[johnal]

I would say if you know these chord shapes, I would say this is more of an intermediate song.

[johnal]

[johnal]

[johnal]

 

Better, however, I am doing something really wrong on this song.  I think the bends.  Maybe this would be easier detuned....

[Vodka]

ok. I'm passing this week. got completely raged on tugowar.

[jimmy655]