Rocksmith 2014 Championship Week 70

[Mortalo]

@@Geist Welcome! I hope you will enjoy time with us :)

[2groggy]

So I RR'd Life a few times, then gave it a shot in SA.  The score was overly forgiving. Even if the down-tuned strings weren't flopping against the fingerboard, I just can't keep even timing on loooooong strings of eighth notes.  I guess that if the string and fret are correct, and the first and last notes are in time, the rest of the mush between them is good enough tor the decode algorithm.  I do need to work on my streams of 8th notes.  I'll just do in on songs in standard (or less unstandard) tuning.

 

Take this with a grain of salt but accuracy = 97.61%, longest streak = 142

http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198171402403/screenshot/709652207107181191

 

I've already tuned back to standard to start working on Left Hand's Free

[NoonyDeloony]

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=397403986

 

My left hand is fucked.

[fripponomic]

here comes the bass

http://fs1.directupload.net/images/150222/mpz5teye.jpg

[HohyCZ]

Int. lead: Not as bad as I was expecting...

http://s17.postimg.org/kbsghie9r/2015_02_22_00003.jpg

 

Int. rhythm: I think I don't have enough fingers to play the chords in this... ;)

http://s1.postimg.org/svm9edk67/2015_02_22_00004.jpg

[genobadass]

I hate this band

http://cloud-4.steamusercontent.com/ugc/540767218178110861/C9155AD303A9EE716969EFC6466F78F834206614/

[franfit]

chords is hard  :rolleyes:

 

rhythm:

http://cloud-4.steamusercontent.com/ugc/707400405226974787/CCE5BCDEE2FE50607D2D980DB4A03F700E90AA85/

[NoonyDeloony]

http://cloud-2.steamusercontent.com/ugc/526130521516252867/97980E326A5D8BC743E27D7604FF076303AC6052/

 

Nearly nailed. Bare in mind, I've been playing all the day f'n long.  :wacko:

[fripponomic]

have tried the left hand's free song. Cool song and fun to play, nice riff.

 

http://fs1.directupload.net/images/150223/i4ief5we.jpg

 

in rhythm I missed 1 note/chord

http://fs1.directupload.net/images/150223/5fq6kucz.jpg

 

and bass

http://fs1.directupload.net/images/150223/najd9pdr.jpg

 

My ratigns for this song are

Lead 5

Rhythm 4

Bass 6-7

 

I noticed that some of you have problems with the chords in that song.

there are no fingerpositions shown in this custom, so if you don't know how to manage this two chords take a look at this, that's simply the barres I call the C-type and the E-type, use this fingers:

 

http://fs2.directupload.net/images/150223/jojngf53.png

If you don't know in game they look a bit dizzying without fingerinformation, anyway very common chordforms.

[MilkmanDan]

Update on Advanced Bass:

That's after my first playthrough, 84% accuracy.  Second play, I Riff Repeated the first section (majority of the song is 1 riff, which is all contained in the 1st section) at 85% speed until I played it with 0 misses, then increased speed by 5% until I could play it right at 100% speed, at which point I played the song on out.  Altogether, that 2nd try with RR, repeating, and accelerating took me about 10 minutes.

 

This was 3rd try just after that, full speed but still in LAS.  I'm still a bit clumsy on the riff, so I had a few misses -- but that is a big jump between 1st and 3rd tries, just like I was sorta anticipating.

 

 

...However, it kinda brings up a need to readjust my difficulty rating on the song.  I rated it as an 8 before, a "high end advanced" song.  I still think it is a good fit for advanced, but considering the fact that 95% of the song is 1 riff, it really does bring into play a progression where with a little practice a skilled enough player is going to get that 1 riff down and rapidly increase their total accuracy on the song.

 

By the way I usually think about difficulty ratings, I think that 1 riff is an Advanced riff.  You're playing notes on all the strings, with some quick shifting and string skipping.  In a semi-unusual rhythm pattern.  Up on the "meedly meedly" frets.  No use of techniques like slides, HOPOs, etc., but I feel like the structure of that 1 riff is legitimately a bigger challenge than most stuff in songs that I would peg as Intermediate level.

 

Factoring all that in, I'd adjust my difficulty rating to 6-7.  My gut still tells me it is a legit advanced, but considering the structural simplicity, a very solid argument can be made for high-end intermediate.

 

@@NoonyDeloony already has a 100% accuracy on it (congrats!), and I think that will probably prove to be doable by more Advanced participants.  Considering that, pegging the official difficulty at 6 seems prudent, but that's just my take on it.  I'm sure more feedback from Advanced participants will help clear that up, so I'll hereby shut up about it (at least, this song in particular) and let you guys take over!  Keep in mind:

 

 

Advanced bass participants - Alt-J is rated 7 for now. It has one section that repeats, it's tough, thus it's 7 for now. Still I want you to give all you've got. I don't want to see anyone holding back because of some "I don't want to level up stuff". We need to see how you can fare against legit 7.

 

So, I suppose that an honest assessment of how you'd rate the difficulty would help @@Mortalo the most, and speaking for myself will help me figure out how to peg songs that seem like an "edge case" right on the line between two classes, like this one.  Should structural simplicity and lots of repeats be taken into consideration with difficulty?  If so, how much in relation to the difficulty of those repeated bits?  What about songs like Octavarium, with 17-18 minutes of the 20 minute duration being beginner to intermediate difficulty, along with a few spots of melt-your-face, "what the hell just happened" difficulty?

[MilkmanDan]

A few tries on SA:

[then3verend]

6 notes...will do a 100% run on Wednesday...then onto lead

http://s13.postimg.org/md5bt45zb/2015_02_23_00002.jpg

 

 

 

Also, question:

I have a version I made with re-mixed audio and half step higher tuning. Can I post scores from that one or does this version only count? I like how it sounds/plays a half a step higher

If not ill stick to this one, no worries

[NoonyDeloony]

@@MilkmanDan , I think comparing Left hand's free and Octavarium is a bit like comparing apples to anthrax. Octavarium, although I can't remember what rating it had, is indeed face melty at a point and it does jump out at you from out of the blue on first play through. There is zero anticipation with Left Hand, it's also a a mere 10% of the duration of Octavarium. Week 64 we had Amy Winehouse"I'm no good". It was beginner. That was a tough beginner track, pretty sure I rated it a high beginner/low intermediate. It was technically more advanced than Left Hand, had more string skipping and a minute fraction less speed though the rhythm of it was very similar to "Left ' ' ". Hand position is the hardest thing about this song imo, it's a tad cramp inducing and it's going to take a while to iron out the curvature it's created in my spine. That said I'm sure finding the sweet spot will be found before the week is out. Need more input from the other advance players.

[NoonyDeloony]

@@HohyCZ .... I appear to have randomly thanked you, using my phone so typing on here is a bit fiddly plus the like button is right above the "invisible" thank button ... But hey, thanks for being you! :)

[Rockfirstlast]

Oh I like this song I wanna play too:

 

http://i.imgur.com/SIjO2VC.jpg

 

I've played this many times before so I had that advantage going for me.

[Rodman]

Welcome @@Rockfirstlast - great you play with us, too!

 

@@NoonyDeloony @@MilkmanDan - not having read the whole conversation about adv bass this week yet cause of time issues, still here is my blabla:

 

The pattern itself is imo a clear 7, nothing less but it (mainly) is only one riff - this makes it in my diff understanding still a legit 7.

I am very happy about this bassline because from the plain diff its imo a 7 but we will be able to get a very high score finally, i´m pretty sure 2 or three of us will have a 100 if there is nuff time and a 100MM could be possible.

I think thats a great example that a 99.5+ in this class might not always have to lead to a levelup.

[MilkmanDan]

@@MilkmanDan , I think comparing Left hand's free and Octavarium is a bit like comparing apples to anthrax.

{snip}

 

Ah, that wasn't my intention (comparing Left Hand's Free to Octavarium), but I didn't clarify enough (in spite of rambling on forever).  What I wanted to suggest about both songs is that they both have some mitigating factor that might be important to consider when assigning them a difficulty rating, NOT that they are in the same league difficulty wise.

 

Left Hand's Free has (in my opinion) a tough riff...  BUT, it is also effectively the only riff, so maybe that structural simplicity could/should be taken into account with regards to the difficulty.

 

Octavarium has sections that are extremely hard to play...  BUT, they are brief compared to the total duration of the song, and a represent a low(ish) percent of the total notes in the song (10-15%?).  And the remaining portions of the song are realistically playable by players under MC-level skill, so even someone who can't/doesn't do the hard parts at all will still get a semi-respectable overall accuracy.  I figure that is another factor that could/should be taken into account with regards to difficulty also.  Or not, these are pretty open ended questions.

 

 

With that clarification to what I meant, I agree with / take interest in the rest of your post.  I think I only played the Amy Winehouse song once, to get a feel for the difficulty.  That 1st and only try was in the mid 99's for me, so I generally wouldn't think of it and Left Hand being similar in difficulty terms, but that's all very subjective.  I should look at / play it again and see if I can understand where you're coming from better.

 

And hand crampedness is a big part of the challenge for me on Left Hand also -- I was wondering about the feasibility of transcribing it up a string and down into the fret 6-8 range instead of 11-13.  That high note on G would be a challenge, but maybe a fast shift could do it?  That or a 6 string bass with a high C.

[MilkmanDan]

Welcome @@Rockfirstlast - great you play with us, too!

 

@@NoonyDeloony @@MilkmanDan - not having read the whole conversation about adv bass this week yet cause of time issues, still here is my blabla:

 

The pattern itself is imo a clear 7, nothing less but it (mainly) is only one riff - this makes it in my diff understanding still a legit 7.

I am very happy about this bassline because from the plain diff its imo a 7 but we will be able to get a very high score finally, i´m pretty sure 2 or three of us will have a 100 if there is nuff time and a 100MM could be possible.

I think thats a great example that a 99.5+ in this class might not always have to lead to a levelup.

 

BIG +1 to this ^^^

 

Why does it take me 5 different posts, each somewhere around the length of War and Peace, to even approach that level of clarity?  :D

[NoonyDeloony]

@@MilkmanDan ah, I understand now. My apologies for the misunderstanding.

 

I'll paraphrase a little from your previous post as my phone is not appropriate to single out specific quotes accurately without me accidently reporting/thanking you :)

 

You raised the point about Octavarium being the type of song that lower level players could in fact play and gain a reasonably good score. This is what worries me, where folk from lower categories might accidently find themselves bumped up a level and unable to return to their category.

 

The good thing about most of the bass tracks selected they are fun, but not all are technically complicated. It's great when we get tunes with "meedly meedly" bass lines, I like playing the top end of the neck as that's a nice change from the general "5th - 7th annnnnd down to the 1st". But that's just my view. :)

[MilkmanDan]

6 notes...will do a 100% run on Wednesday...then onto lead

{snip}

So much for my early prediction that this week would NOT be a "highest score attack wins!"...

 

Nicely done!

[Mortalo]

I, myself, would not like to see Advanced participants having 100% wars on legit Advanced songs. I would prefer to rate that song as 6. Unless you're just too good, then I will kick you up to MasterClass :lol: As of right now, I change Alt-J bass rate to 6, as otherwise to guitar parts, where I'm taking higher rate from x-y, in bass I'm taking lower one. So 6-7 will be 6, as I agree that, even tough, it's just one riff.

 

And here is something for fun:

I'm not really a go to gig type of a person, it would be great to see Metallica or Iron Maiden live but I can survive watching blu-ray, still there is a band I really want to see live - hail to Metric and one of my favorite live performances - Dead Disco:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9i50D9y5Y2k

(Check out Emily Haines earlobe, I always knew that this means greatness :D )

All this love thanks to Rocksmith Championship and bringing up music you would never listen to :)

[Mortalo]

Intermediate Lead - 97.13%, 124 streak

I played rhythm but got worse score then my 1st :huh:

[then3verend]

 

6 notes...will do a 100% run on Wednesday...then onto lead

{snip}

So much for my early prediction that this week would NOT be a "highest score attack wins!"...

 

Nicely done!

 

That run was not easy by any means, if and when i get the 100 I probably won't try to increase score, it'll be that hard

[Rodman]

Intermediate Lead - 97.13%, 124 streak

I played rhythm but got worse score then my 1st :huh:

 

Wow - 97 on this in 6 tries, hell impressive!!!

[MilkmanDan]

Tried beginner lead:

First try was invalid because I leveled down some sections, because ... chords!  /shakes fist

 

But actually, that was really good for me, because I actually struggled through and tried to do the chords properly.  Well, at least the two in the song that aren't barre chords expanding on power chord shapes.  Those I just played as the basic power chords, and Rocksmith takes pity on my patheticness and gives me credit for them anyway.  Mostly.

 

But at least trying to do some basic chords is probably a good thing for me.  If nothing else, it helps remind me that I should primarily stick to bass, where I vaguely know what I'm doing.  :)