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Just to clarify, for those that stumble upon this later, the above comment isn't entirely true. Buying RS1 and the song transfer tool only gives you the RS1 on-disc songs (minus the Eric Clapton song and 1 other I can't remember). It does not give you any of the DLC released for RS1 or RS2014. However, because of some weird error with Steam, you must purchase and own RS1 in order to buy any RS1 DLC (anything released prior to Oct. 22, 2013) to use in RS2014. I'm not sure why this is, but that's how it works.

This has turned into quite the discussion.... Yeah, but those 37 Beatles songs are customs uploaded by users here, not official DLC submitted by Ubisoft, so it should be expected that they be in A440. As I said, they are all still E Standard tunings, even at A442 or higher/lower. It's the pitch that is different, not the tuning. I know it can be hard to wrap your head around, but pitch and tuning are not the same thing. Almost all (I don't have time to actually verify this now) of the Oasis songs that Noel sings are in standard A440, because he can sing better. Liam sings sharp, hence the higher pitches on the songs he sings. You can read about it in a lot of Oasis interviews, especially towards the end when they were in-fighting. Liam and Noel argued about who got to sing what song all the time, and a lot of it centred around the fact that Liam thought he was the shit and Noel thinks he can't sing. Yes, I used "thought/thinks" purposefully here... If you haven't had a chance, check out Beady Eye (Liam's new band, which is more like Oasis 2.0), and have a listen to Noel's solo album. Liam sings in a higher pitch because he can't sing any other way. Quite a few older songs are mis-pitched due to tape speed, and Layla is one of the most widely known examples. My point was that song that are slightly mis-pitched, like Layla, should (IMO) be pitched proper for something like this so it doesn't sound so wonky. Layla is not 1/2 step down, nor 1/2 step up. It's 38 or 39cents off, which sound AWFUL if you're trying to play along with it on a standard tuned guitar. It makes it much easier to learn a song when it's in pitch with you. That's all I'm sayin'. It's actually easier to play along when you're in tune with the song you're trying to copy, if you're playing along with it. Obviously, if you're playing the song by yourself, play it in whatever pitch you feel comfortable with. But if you're playing along with Liam Gallagher, and you play in standard A440, you'll sound flat. Songs only sound "wonky" if you're playing along with them in a different pitch. In that case, it's you who sounds "off" (though again, it's only the pitch), not the record. It's up to you to match the song you're playing along with, not the other way around. And yes, Oasis is a mega band with a lot of tech's to help sort out equipment. But remember, "tuning" to A443 is as simple as tweaking each string ever so slightly. Most experienced musicians can tune to Eb Standard by ear, because it's a simple half-step change. And think about how little you have to move each machine head to hit Eb. On a good guitar with proper strings, it's between 1/4 and 1/8 of a turn of the machine heads. A443 is like moving the machine heads just enough to feel it move. Also, for what it's worth.... Most older songs (40's, 50's, 60's) that are accidentally off-pitch are a result of transferring the recording to vinyl. It is important to note (or support) that some songs are accidentally off-pitch, but most modern songs that use higher/lower pitches of A440 are done on purpose. It's very popular amongst British bands. Anyway, glad to see some good discussion here on this topic. I'm going on vacation for 10 days to the Land of No Internet, but I'm looking forward to seeing where this goes while I'm gone.

Oasis does it on purpose, to better match Liam's voice with the music. He sings slightly sharp on some songs, and the guitar tunings reflect that. If the original recording was made in an "off" tuning, then it should be left that way. Oh, and I forgot to add this before.... The Beatles used LOTS of alternate tunings based off of E standard. Read this if you want a better explanation about why some artist's use different pitches of E standard:http://guitarcipher.blogspot.ca/2012/04/normal-0-false-false-false-en-us-x-none.htmlHoly crap, that just may have been the most informative, make me rethink everything I thought I knew about guitar article I have ever read. Not only does my brain hurt, but I'm now questioning the way I play every classic song I can think of. Might explain why some of them never seemed quite right. Yeah, music theory is quite mind-boggling.... Some people are content to just play music (which is absolutely fine), but I'm a thinking man and I like to know a bit about what's going on. When I first started playing I could never figure out why some songs didn't quite sound right either, so I decided to learn a little theory. Oh course, most of it is a scrambled mess in my head. Sometimes, the more I think about the theory side of it, the more confused I start to get.

A lot of the times it gets missed in Beatles' recordings because it was mostly Lennon that liked to play in a different pitch. Since most of their early work was recorded in mono, the two layered guitars (one in A440, one slightly higher) tend to cancel each other out. That's why most notation and covers are done in A440. Most people can't audibly hear the difference on the recordings. And yes, anything done in a different pitch of E Standard will sound fine done in A440, if everything else is done in the same pitch. Keep in mind, the difference between A440 and A450 is very slight. It's, obviously, less than a half step difference. For instance, Eb tuning has a pitch of A311. But play along with those Oasis songs with your guitar in A440 and it will sound "off". It's pretty technical, but there's a chart on this page that shows the different frequencies of each guitar tuning: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_pitch_notation

Oasis does it on purpose, to better match Liam's voice with the music. He sings slightly sharp on some songs, and the guitar tunings reflect that. If the original recording was made in an "off" tuning, then it should be left that way. Oh, and I forgot to add this before.... The Beatles used LOTS of alternate tunings based off of E standard. Read this if you want a better explanation about why some artist's use different pitches of E standard: http://guitarcipher.blogspot.ca/2012/04/normal-0-false-false-false-en-us-x-none.html

A440 is standard "concert pitch" in North America and some of Europe, but a large portion of European countries still use A442 as their standard concert pitch. For the most part, it all depends on the style of music you want to play. German symphonies use A443, Baroque music uses A415. Basically it's all about fine tuning the pitch to suit your tastes. There's a lot of math involved if you want to know the technical or theoretical reasons why some artist's choose different E standard tunings, but I don't want to explain it all. You can google it if you really want to bore yourself to death :huh:

Those of us who have played both would all probably agree that it's a better idea to get RS2014 anyway. It's also on sale right now ($36 versus the regular $60) so it's a good time to grab it. Rocksmith 2014 has better features and new techniques and is more "learning oriented" than RS1. On top of that, any official DLC released after Oct. 22, 2013 are only compatible with RS2014. You'll be missing out on a lot of good DLC if you decide to stick with RS1.

Really, you think it's normal to have search results be a page not found error? Usually you get a "0 results found" type message on the actual search page. I shouldn't be directed to a page that doesn't exist. Go to another forum and do a search. You'll get a results page, even if it has 0 results, not a 404 error.

Hello, I tried to search for an answer for this, but since my question/issue has to do with broken searches, you'll soon see why I may not have been able to find anything.... So.... is there a reason why, when searching through the search bar at the top, I get a 404 "Page Cannot Be Found" error if searching for something that doesn't exist? To clarify, what I mean is this; If I search the video submissions for "Oasis", I obviously get a lot of results. But, if I search for "Oasis Lyla" (which I've deduced there are no results), I get the 404 error. This happens any time I search for something that the search engine can't find. I get directed to this link: "http://customsforge.com/index.php?app=core&module=search&do=search&fromMainBar=1"

Amplitude might be what you're looking for. It's the app that I use with the iRig HD. I think it was $15, but I'm pretty sure there's a free version that you can try out. It has a bunch of amp models, and pedal effects. You can set up to 3 effects at a time with the iPhone version, and I think 5 with the iPad version. And just like RS, you can fiddle around with mic placement on the cabinet to further refine your tone. They have an Amplitube Fender version as well. Amplitube: https://itunes.apple.com/ca/app/amplitube/id373524000?mt=8 Amplitube Free: https://itunes.apple.com/ca/app/amplitube-free/id373309342?mt=8 Amplitube Fender: https://itunes.apple.com/ca/app/amplitube-fender/id410032858?mt=8

I looked into the Sonic Clamp as well. Didn't like how it looks on the guitar though. Not quite punk enough DIY enough for me. It's also $70 + shipping. And for those of us in Canada, you have to add duty on top as well.

I'm obsessed with The Black Keys right now (just bought an Airline H78, so yeah, obsessed) so I've played most of their songs (including some great cDLC) an average of 50 times each. My most played is I Got Mine (87 times, 110%) because it's my warm up song. Gets the fingers nice and loose. I really wish that RS put some documentation into the game about why you can get over 100% on a song though. The first time I got 101% on Next Girl I thought maybe I should be submitting my resume to fill in for Dan Auerbach. Didn't realize until it hit 109.8% that it was because of Master Mode.

I use a Radial BigShot ABY switch. Much more reliable than a splitter, produces a cleaner output, and has a true bypass so I don't need to mess with removing cables and changing Rocksmith settings to use both my amp and my stereo. I can also add in all of my pedals without signal degradation. However, it was a bit expensive ($80) and I didn't buy it just for Rocksmith. I use it for pumping 2 guitars into 1 amp. But... it has the added bonus of allowing two people to play Rocksmith in single player mode at the same time.

Rocksmith wasn't/isn't the first/only guitar teaching app for computers, there are several out there (I have 3 other apps myself). BUT... Rocksmith was the first program to actually make it fun. What Teinashu mentioned (lowering the song audio in the mixer) is what I do when I want to play a song and only hear myself. It's actually a great way to make sure you are actually playing a song correctly (to how it sounds in the recording) instead of just hitting the notes. Although Rocksmith is great, it has a high tolerance for what it considers a missed note and can only judge whether or not you hit notes, and isn't great at determining whether you've actually mastered a technique.

"Next Girl" by The Black Keys is very, very easy. It's from RS1. The entire song features only 6 notes, repeated in different patterns. 0 chords. Great intro to hammer-on's as well. "Go With The Flow" by Queens of the Stone Age is a great intro to power chords (it features 5 chords, repeated in fast succession). Also great for building endurance in your strumming hand. The first time you play it you may not make it to the end before your hand gets too tired. But keep at it, and you'll strengthen your wrist pretty quickly. Bob Dylan's "Knocking On Heaven's Door" is a great song for learning traditional chords. I believe it's G, D, A, C, and that's it. Might be one more chord in there, but it's 6:23am here so I can't really play it to check. Good for working on strumming rhythm too. As others have mentioned, you can sort by difficulty. However, the difficulty rating that RS assigns to each track is dynamic, based on the skills you've demonstrated in the game. So what I mean is, even when sorted by difficulty, the order of the list will change based on how well you play a song, and other songs that feature similar techniques. So if you play a song that is, say, 3rd on the list for difficulty and you struggle with any part of it, it will slide further down the list.

Thank you!

Have you checked ultimateguitar.com? Seems to be a lot for both artists on there. 911tabs.com might have some as well, but I don't like that site as much.

Thank you. Do you know what page of the thread it's on? I skimmed through it, but couldn't find the fix. **Edit** Maybe I found it.... is the fix just to hide the file in the dlc folder?

I'm not saying the approval system should be crowdsourced, just the rating. I think the criteria for approved customs should be decided on by the founders of the site (because it's their site) as well as by a group of charters who have a history of doing good work. You yourself (firekorn) do great work with the customs, and so (to me) your standards of work are high enough that you should have input on what it means to be approved. But the rating system is subjective for each user, and acts as a filter. That's all. Like I said, you could have mods remove customs that fall below whatever threshold is too low (such as 2 stars for example), or you could choose to leave them there. But a rating system will allow users like me to filter out the customs we feel would be subpar. Sure, trolls can come along and add bogus ratings, but they do that now in the comments anyway. And if a troll rates a song 5 stars because they like the song, and I rate it 2 because it was done poorly, the ratings will eventually even out.

Yes, you would rate the overall quality, based on what the community deems good enough. If the song already meets the "approved" criteria (what I suggested should be the same for official DLC), then the rating is a supplemental tool to determine if the quality of work is good enough. What if a custom gets approved because the person/panel/whatever approving it only played the first 30 seconds? What if they don't notice that the tab dynamically becomes off-sync as the song continues (which happens in a lot of the customs)? What if they have 100 customs to approve and don't have time to do it properly? What if they're playing on a laptop or headphones, or a lower quality sound system? They may not notice that the audio quality is poor. There are so many criteria that are subjective when it comes to approving a custom. What you deem acceptable may not be acceptable to me or others. And conversely, what I deem acceptable may not be the same for you. And for those of us who can't edit the customs ourselves, we're left with subpar work. Leaving comments for the author only helps if the author either agrees with your comments or suggestions, and on top of that, only if they're willing to do the work to change them. If a charter sees feedback about errors in their custom, and their custom is rated at 2 stars, they should be motivated to improve it. If they don't want to improve the custom, and it gets removed, other charters are then free to upload their version. With the current rules in place, somebody could easily hijack songs by posting poor quality customs and proper versions can't be uploaded because the mods don't allow duplicates. It doesnt mean much to me if 1000 customs get uploaded if 999 of them aren't done properly. I would prefer to have a rating system and a filter so I can browse only the 4+ star customs. Those users who choose to ignore the ratings can do so without anything changing for them. Either way, with an approval system or rating system, standards have to be established. You can't just stick an approved label on something because you like the song or the charter. In the end, Rocksmith is a learning game. What's the point of learning how to play a song if you find out what you learned was wrong? Anyway, these are all just my opinions.... Everyone has their own criteria they're looking for when it comes to learning a song.

I've been to a ton of concerts, and will never be able to remember them all.... but as a partial list I've seen: Foo Fighters x4 Staind Puddle of Mudd (before anybody knew who they were) Green Day x2 Weezer The White Stripes The Mudmen (underrated Canadian band that seems to have disappeared) Gob (got to meet them after the show) The Police (reunion concert when they came to T.O., I'm not that old) Black Rebel Motorcycle Club Smashing Pumpkins The Pixies Oasis Silversun Pickups (they almost ran over my foot while driving a golf cart around the festival grounds.) The Fratellis Static In Stereo Sum 41 x2 (worst 2 concerts I've EVER been to) Pearl Jam x3 Eddie Vedder solo Our Lady Peace x2 (1st time was in a bar in Sudbury about 6 months before their debut album was released) Treble Charger x5 David Usher Econoline Crush Sam Roberts The Trews The Tragically Hip Default Finger Eleven Fountains of Wayne Sloan x2 Goldfinger The Killers Metric Yes, most of them are lesser known Canadian bands, but hey, that's where I live eh. I'm also going to see The Black Keys when they play T.O. in September, and I've heard that Our Lady Peace is coming to town again in July but I haven't decided whether I'll go or not. It depends on what setlist they're playing as I wasn't a big fan of the last album (last two actually).

I like the suggestions, and I too have been calling for a rating system. I think a rating system will work better than an "approved" section. I know Smithy had the approved section, but if the criteria for approving a custom isn't tight enough, what's the point? I think all uploaded customs should have to follow approved criteria before being listed in the DB anyway. They should all have the same standards and features of official DLC (proper audio quality, defined sections, DD, Riff Repeater, PC/Mac version, artwork, preview, etc). After that, a rating system will allow the community to decide what's good quality and what isn't. A rating system would also allow you to add rewards (or, what I interpret as title distinctions based on your example) to users who upload good work. Using a scale of 1-5, each custom should be rated by the community. You can then take the ratings for all of a charter's uploaded customs, and get the average rating of their work. Any charters with an average of 4 stars or higher should be given some distinction. Charters who have an average of 2 stars or less will be "warned", informed, or notified that they are uploading subpar work and suggestions can be given by the community (using the already existing feedback system) on how to improve their customs. To me, that provides incentive and motivation to produce good customs with a high standard of quality. You could have a section of "Featured Charters" or a top 10 list, which would function much like the Leaderboards in all of our favourite games. We all know people are willing to put in the hard work in order to see their name at the top of the list. Also, for the difficulty suggestion, who decides what the difficulty is? If the charter is a well-experienced guitar player they may feel a song is easy to play, when someone less experienced would find it harder. Difficulty is subjective, and is different for everybody. Look at how the difficulty system works inside Rocksmith right now. When you list songs by difficulty, and then play one, they will move around in the list depending on how well you performed that particular song. Anyway, good suggestions. I just think they need to be expanded on in order to provide the results you're looking for.

What Malaki is suggesting would allow for both a direct link to the filehost (the download link) and another link to go to the custom's page within the forum (he suggests the link be the name of the track, I think it should just be a second link beside the download link). This way those of us who like to download customs from specific charters, and are familiar with their style and standards of work, can get direct access to the filehost from the list. I can't leave any feedback until after I've played through the custom anyway, so having to go from the DB list, to the forum, and then to the filehost is a bit redundant. However.... In the current state of things, adding a separate direct download link into the DB list will only help so much. Not all customs are uploaded with both PC/Mac versions (I'm a Mac user). Some are posted with separate versions with DD or riff repeater. So even if there is a separate link to the filehost, most users will still have to go to the forum page to find the version they want anyway.

Yeah, me neither. I tried to figure it out for you , but as I said, the toolkit doesn't work very well on Mac. Lots of errors, exceptions, and a long list of features that don't work with the Mac.

Are you sure it's not just a shortcoming of the game itself? Of the approx. 300 official DLC released, none of them have the same title. Maybe Ubisoft can't figure out how to get 2 songs with the same title into the game either... Have you tried changing the song names for the customs to something that might not conflict? So for instance, change Johnny Cash's "Hurt" to "Hurt (cover)"? Since the toolkit doesn't work very well on Mac, I can't test it out myself, but it would probably involve changing more than just the display name (what RS shows in the song list). You might have to find and change all references to the song title contained within the package.