Puddle Of Mudd

Yes, you'll need a second Real Tone cable for multiplayer. As for the amp, you might as well consider replacing it as that's not too good of an amp.

Bugera is Behringer, should be OK. They're not too good or too bad, depends on the model. Most people associate Behringer with some products that were really crap for their time... nowadays they do have a wider portfolio of products ranging from big mixers to even a digital piano. For the cab, since you're buying from Guitar Center, you can get something like this: http://www.guitarcenter.com/Egnater/Tourmaster-Series-412A-or-412B-280W-4x12-Guitar-Speaker-Cabinet.gc It doesn't come with England made Celestions but the Chinese ones tend to be bit more burned in so that's bit of an advantage if it counts... Dunlop should be good for the pedals without breaking the budget. But there are lots of other options as well, some, better than it obviously.

The logic behind those videos is bit off the track. You don't need to buy some equipment that is the same or close to what somebody uses to get similar tones, you can do the same by getting different equipment. Take the Koch for example, I'm sure almost nobody here was heard of it but you can get lots of tones out of it using its multiple channels, which would do for different forms of music.

I know that the modeller doesn't always have to go through a power amp, but for stage usage, it might as well do that. Just because some musician is famous doesn't mean he or his group knows the best, as some musicians do not even bother with upgrading their gear and stick with old strats and such. Yes, I personally prefer tubes more and will for a long time as it seems. You can stick with digital modelling but I do want the best available, so yes, be at it. I never wanted that at all but if you wish to think that you can read my mind, sure go ahead! but be ready to be deceived... And you still didn't have answered this question : "what's supposed to be a "higher quality" sound" but we are going more and more off topic and this debate seems to go nowhere anyway. Alright so looking at your picture, I'm not understanding much as to why a solid state hi-fi amp is better than a tube amp. It's just showing how much of voltage goes through the transistor and gets out without loss vs how much of it happens on tube. I'm not sure what your implication was from posting that, as it doesn't show much at all. Hell it doesn't even tell which amps are compared to which... and yes, I did think you were pointing out towards HDMI cables, because I was talking about tube amps and tube amps DO care about the quality of the cable. Period. "Higher quality" sound to me is better sounding sound... well, tighter bass, cleaner sound... you know? The only thing I miss about my solid state hi-fi amp was the ability to stick in a subwoofer, which is not available on my tube amp. Other than that, I prefer the tube amp bar none. It easily delivers better sound to my ears, and yes, this discussion has gone far off-topic.

I agree with the above, using a renting company might be better off for the OP's case as well, since he might need to buy and carry lots of expensive equipment. Though if he still does want the Peavey, for example, he can get a Bugera 6262, which is the same thing and can be had for cheaper than the Peavey if looked well.

I was referring to the rack power amp the modeller would go through, which would be delivering power to it and would generally be transistor-based. I don't see very many guitarists around forums or IRL pick those things you talk about over tube amp setups, so like I said, I'd say a tube based solution is still superior, and I really don't think that ANY modeller can get me that gain of my Triple Recto at tight. I think you're just trying to justify your own purchase of paying $1500 for a modeller here. If you play at home and if you can carry a rig around for gigging, then by all means getting a "traditional" setup as you speak would be far better off. It's not assumption, it's science... Hi-Fi system are made for a high fidelity in reproduction of an input signal, something that a tube can't do. It's the same as cable that cost 100$/m it's pure marketing bullshit. The fact that you prefer it means that you prefer to put a blue filter on your TV cause it looks better this way... Weirdly if someone ask for a blue filter for their TV people will laugh but when people ask for a system that alter the sound, people love it (and they actually don't when they do blind A/B comparison). You should read this Audio Myth Buster before starting talking about Hi-Fi system i think but we are going way off topic here. They offer different sound which doesn't mean it's higher quality and i'm still waiting for a clear definition of what's supposed to be a "higher quality" sound when it comes to sound creation cause if you keep using things that aren't defined or vision that we don't share, we'll have a lot of issue to debate the subject... Tell me how a tube can't do "high fidelity" reproduction of an input signal, when that is exactly what it does its best at. Do you know what you are talking about? I don't need to read that, but, I do get that you wanted to mention HDMI TV cables, which have nothing to do with this topic. Although, yes indeed, since HDMI is digital, what cables you have don't matter too much. This is not the case with a tube amp, a better cable WILL make a difference, as that's going to be an analog out. You won't be using cheap $5 mall cables with a $5000 tube hi-fi setup... you're going to buy high AWG, quality cables like Protech for that. As I mentioned before and will mention again, I had and have mid to high end transistor hi-fi amps, along with a quad EL34 + 6N1-P amp, which can also be classified as a mid to high end tube amp and guess what? The tube amp leaves those transistor amps in the dust. The sound is much cleaner that there is not even a comparison, you don't own these things you're talking about. I do and I can do actual comparisons.

Are you a Line 6 marketer? Metallica has been using the Triple Recto in their gigs for a while now, you can see that on the 2007 Live Earth London concert as the Rectos are laid down one on top of the other everywhere... and no, obviously racks do offers lots of watts but that is pure transistor power. Lower watt tube power equals to much higher amounts of transistor-based wattage. Since you mic what is available on a stage, and given that the tubes DO offer higher quality sound, you're going to get better results with tube based equipment no matter what. Surely you can get everything you want as long as you go all digital. Hell, you might even ditch the amps, stick your guitar to your PC directly and go with virtual amplification, LOL. While I keep the Super-Sonic 60 to V30 speakers and proper pedals like my Fulltone and get cleans your Line 6 stomp box can't even dream of...

Yes, Billy Gibbons for example used it if I'm not wrong. Just because you CAN use it doesn't mean it's a good choice, and because you're mic'd doesn't mean it'll perform as good as a higher wattage amp. A higher watt amp will ultimately have way more overhead for a stage performance. Why do you think it's almost always the high watt monsters used on stage, and low watt amps are generally used for home or studio? I did not all dismiss those bands, they're just not as well known as say AC/DC, Metallica etc. Both those bands used the Triple Recto in past, and honestly, musically I literally hate anything he mentioned. Dream Theater makes music for pathetic losers and Rush is a yawnfest. Even that ironic Puddle of Mudd's music I enjoy more, the band which, BTW, also used Triple Recto in past. I have a tube hi-fi amp and had / have a bunch of reciever or vanilla transistor hi-fi amplifiers. The tube one blows them out of the water in terms of sound clarity. You clearly have never had a tube hi-fi amp, and the things you mention seem to be just assumptions based upon it... hand-made is a sign of quality. I've yet to come across a hand made amp that is a junker, as in guitar amps, being hand made is something only boutique manufacturers do. I still don't see China amps "amazing". They're still regarded well below American or even British amps... sure, you can get some good tones out of one. Take the Blackstar HT-series for example, I've seen them on a bunch of concerts of Tesla / Leslie West and couple more bands that aren't on top of my head and they do perform. However, regardless of that I'm sure a good amount of players WILL want non-Chinese components and non-Chinese build given their reputation in terms of SQ and reliability.

Personally, I don't listen to any one of those so I wouldn't know. When I said well-known, I was more of regarding to big names that do use high end amps such as Metallica. I've once tried the Taurus Stomp Box and some other tube amps in a store and I could tell the difference, so I'd say still go with a tube amp regardless... and honestly, for a 1500 or over people concert, he will want the most sound he can get out of the amp, meaning a tube amp as we both know it. He's only looking at lower end gear because he might not be able to afford Peavey X or Mesa Y.

I'm unsure as to how accurate that can be, I've heard some high end rack amps (one from Line 6) on YouTube and such, and they just do not get to that sweet sound spot of a good tube amp. For $1500 you can get a tube amp, cab plus an effects box. Not just an amp + cab. Sure, you'll have to carry them but that's what bands do. I don't know of any band with a big name to it that records or plays on a stage with transistor based equipment... and there is a reason for that. Just like how the top-notch hi-fi setups are tube-based, so are guitar gear. Sorry but I'm not inclined to believe in that. Tubes are still the best sound tech, period.

Is that something like the Polish Taurus Stomp Box? I mean, a pedal processor-alike amp? If so, I really wouldn't spend $1500 on something that does everything via digital modelling rather than tubes... you can do much better than that for that much money.

Fast doesn't only regard to top speed. One would expect a fast car to accelerate fast, turn corners fast due to its aerodynamics and so on. It was just a comparison of an amp being good in "common sense". It was not meant to be all literally taken and head to head compared to an amp being any good. I don't know what you find to be "Fender style". I have a Super-Sonic 60 and a Triple Recto laying here and I can side by side compare them... the Mesa has more oomph in gain but when set up properly, it can sound like the Fender's Vibrolux clean. That to me, BTW, is pretty much the only good effort of Fender at making an amp as it has a proper gain channel along with its clean. So it is like the best Fender amp you'd compare that Mesa to (if you exclude the 100W Super-Sonic or a few from their 2015 line, also considering that the 2015 models haven't made any noise around guitar communities...) You CAN select which one of those you want from the Internet alone. The info you need is there. Both the Triple Recto and the JCM 2000 are high watt amps. So if you want something that can output a lot of power, however on the cheaper end, you buy a JCM 2000. If money isn't a concern, you get the Recto. The Orange is not on the same category. You get that as a bedroom amp or so... it's a low wattage amp. You can tell some about the internal built of an amp as well, I.E, how many of which tubes are used, whether it is hand-made or not and so on... these things aren't actually too hard to understand.

I didn't mention top speed, I was just trying to give a general idea about what could be a good performer to you using common logic, and no, cars can be subjective too. One might pick a BMW 7-Series over a Mercedes S-Series or the other way around. You're wrong about the Triple Rectifier, I own one and I do get that bluesy Fender-ish sound on the clean channel using tubes on the loose settings. The Triple Rectifier is a more versatile amp than you think it is, it's suited for any form of music. You're just looking at its wattage levels, and the fact of it being used for heavy gain for the most part, and assuming that. The amps you talk about are from different categories to begin with. The JCM 2000 is more of a mid to high end amp while the Triple Rectifier is bar none a high end class amp. You can clearly tell that from the way the amps are built / their prices and so on. The Tiny Terror is a rather low watt amp and it has nothing to do with the other pair... obviously there ARE going to be differences from a Tiny Terror to a Triple Rectifier... what else do you expect? The manufacturers do indeed show the power output of an amp. If an amp is 50W, that's its output. It doesn't consume 50W, it consumes more than 50W, no such electrical device is %100 efficient. The things that make an amp good sounding for me, are its tube stages, build quality and so on. I can have a rough idea on what is good and what not, I don't HAVE TO play the amp to tell that. However, yes, playing would indeed give me a better idea but that doesn't mean I can't tell what is good and what not, in this case, for the OP, not by playing the amp in question.

"Aged" means old / older. When an amp is aged, so are its caps, rectifier stage / stages etc etc. That doesn't mean you should use the amp only for gigging, what I meant was, not buying an amp that is beaten up. Yes the Orange Rocker/Thunderverbs are also great choices, better than the Peavey IMO, but certainly more expensive also.

Yes, the 6505 (and the 5150) are certainly way superior choices to the Spider, some don't like them due to some quality bits, but they're decent amps. Just make sure it's not used too much, as those are aged amps. Info on the Internet? You don't have to play something to qualify it is good. Take the Bogner XTC for example, that's a sick amp. Why should I need to play something that has everything one can ask for out of an amp? You don't drive a Ferrari to know it's fast. You know it's fast from the ground up, it's common sense and some thinking...

If I'm not wrong, from what I just looked up, the combo comes with Koch speakers. They ain't gonna sound as good as a well regarded in past cab such as the Marshall 1960, and the comments there are pretty silly to be fair. One guy is comparing it to a transistor amp and says even that gets better tones... and then comparisons of it to Chinese Peavey amps... this is an NL made amp, it doesn't come with Chinese made transformers etc, likely. Besides, the clean did sound nice and that camera is crap, and I'm unsure on his guitar either. Looking on the spec sheet, the Koch is pretty much similar to a Fender SuperSonic 60 head, which is one of my amps. I mean, two 6L6 tubes, some 12AX7s etc etc. Really, it's in an entirely different league than the Spider, and if you compared the Spider to say X or Y good tube amp, it WILL perform like crap. Doesn't have to be Koch, it's just what I came across on Reverb at that moment. Hell I didn't even know much about Koch amps until that point, but if you go read some written reviews on Sweetwater and such, people say it's a really good amp head. I can look for something with a more well known brand name to it, and still, you can seriously do better than a Line 6 Spider for a 1500 people concert.

You could go cheaper with bit lower end gear, while being around the price level of the Line 6 couple and still have it miles ahead of anything Line 6, like with this combo: https://reverb.com/item/1271317-2014-koch-multitone-50-watt-amplifier-head-sku-4333 https://reverb.com/item/2498771-marshall-1960a-lead-4x12-guitar-speaker-cabinet-awesome-used-cab

Line 6 amps are generally awful. I once bought a PRS Torero, which came with a free Line 6 Spider IV 15W and it was utter junk. Tone was trash and it just did not get any better in any way. However, I've a few times played a Line 6 that was designed with the help of Reinhold Bogner, which was good for what it was. Even that was made in China though. All Line 6 amps are like that, low to mid end at best, and really, for a 1500 people concert, the last thing I'd do would be going on stage with a crappy amp that doesn't even have any tubes on it. I wouldn't expect much from that cab either, as I don't know what speakers it uses to reach that 320W. Just looking at wattage levels of crappy transistor based gear is mistakenly buying gear at best, JFYI. Like firekorn mentioned, you'll have whatever gear you have on stage mic'd, so you won't actually need those kind of wattages even for that much people. Now, for what I'd suggest, you would need to up your budget, and it would seriously be worth it. If so, then you can get an amp like this: https://reverb.com/item/2170446-mesa-boogie-express-5-50-all-tube-guitar-amp-head Then I'd couple it with a cab that has Celestion Vintage 30 speakers in it. Those are the speakers you might want for solid tone on the higher gain levels, and especially for, again, a 1500 people concert. However, not every V30 is made in Britain with Celestion's highest quality standards. Most are Chinese made. For that, I'd look for some cab that has British V30s in it and go no less than 2x12. Such as this one: https://reverb.com/item/1603819-bogner-2-2x12-guitar-cabinet-closed-back-2010-black-tweed The cab above also seems to be bit oversized for a 2x12, which would be better off. Bogner is one of the best for these things so you can't go wrong with it AS LONG AS it is the 8 ohm one. It needs to be 8 ohms in order to be British. 16 ohm V30s are made in China.

You can get pretty far with a 1x12 combo, something like this would do wonders: https://reverb.com/item/2126874-fender-supersonic-112-60-watts

Looks like a wine red firefall finish or some sort... not bad. What amp are you plugging it to? Transistor or tube? Some old Marshalls like one of the JCM 900's combo versions had some transistors for gain stages although they were tube (kinda like hybrid), so yeah, only some older Marshalls are good (like the JCM 2000 TSL 100). I'd def. get a nice amp to go along with it if you don't have a tube amp.

I got the original Mesa Triple Rectifier from 90's, beast amp for tones on the high watts... unlike the newer ones, it has a 200W max and not 150W. Some argue that it delivers better tones than the new ones. http://img.techpowerup.org/160621/rsz-1rsz-mesa.jpg

I can't stand that dummy's accent or his lame nonsense.

P90s don't sound too well with high gain stuff, for that budget range, I might suggest a PRS SE 24.

Split the cable into two from its two parts from the breakaway, the PS-2'ish out that leads it right to the USB. Then plug the two parts into each other back in. Doing this sometimes fixes the cable from not being recognized.

Not a single song, but it was Zakk Wylde's soloing and stuff that I watched some years ago got me to believe I should pick up on the guitar as a hobby to have fun.