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There are a lot of CDLC with non-standard tunings. These are always VERY annoying, because not every guitar or bass model allows for easily re-tuning your strings, for example if you have a (very common) Floyd Rose bridge on your guitar, even re-tuning a single string requires to unbolt the nut and adjust all of them. The Custom Forge Song Manager tool can help with non-standard tunings where all strings are tuned up or down by the same amount, by converting a CDLC into standard tuning and applying a pitch shifter. It won't sound beautiful in-game however, and it can't handle properly CDLCs with lead/rhythm/bass charts in different tuning, or CDLCs that do not have a lead chart. So please please please... do not make CDLCs in non-standard tuning unless necessary! There are many CDLCs in Eb tunings where there are NO NOTES on open strings (fret zero) and no harmonics played. This means it is unnecessary to tune the instruments other than in E standard. If you usually just grab tabs from websites and turn them into CDLCs, when you see that they have Eb tuning instead of E, be aware that many times this means they were probably done by a BAD charter who maybe didn't even bother to tune their own instrument before charting the tabs, at which point they are also likely to have other mistakes. Don't think that a bad CDLC is better than no CDLC at all, it is worse because other potential (good) charters will think the song is already done and won't do their own CDLC of it. And be aware that most people will simply trash your CDLC after downloading, if they see it requires non-standard tuning, just like I used to do before figuring out how to convert them. Sorry for the rant!

I already forgot about this question of mine Well in any case, if anyone's interested, I ended up for the moment assigning the following three override tones: 2- Rocksmith Theme bass tone: for most soft/regular songs 3- Cherub Rock bass tone: for a mildly distorted punch 4- simple custom tone of my own with a -1 semitone pitch shift I figured out that the last one is a DEALMAKER for CDLCs that are bass-only with Eb tuning, because the CFSM's pitch shifter unfortunately cannot successfully convert to E standard a song that doesn't have the Lead Guitar part, it only changes the tuning so that it doesn't require to re-tune the instrument, but it fails to apply an actual pitch shift to the tone. But now I can just press '4' and apply a pitch shift on the fly, and voilà! Lots of new CDLCs I can play with out re-tuning my bass

I am looking for suggestions on bass tones mainly for the purpose of overriding the tone on CDLCs where the tone designed by the author isn't really good. I have a bunch of CDLCs with the tone so bad that listening to what I'm playing becomes a torture, but instead of keep bothering the author to fix the tone, I can just try to override it with another tone "stolen" from another song. I thought that this required some heavy editing of the CDLC itself, but I just saw a video about the "tone assignment" in-game functionality which I never noticed before, and now I am intrigued by the possibility of just switching on-the-fly, even if it's clearly not a permanent fix. So for that functionality it looks like you can assign a maximum to 3 tones to hotkeys... what would be your recommendations for 3 bass tones (preferably from core RS songs or Cherub Rock so you can be sure I already have them) that could reasonably cover most of the use cases i.e. when special effects (delay, flanger...) are not required?

Not much room there to make it easier, but I definitely had to invert the string to make it look more like TABs. I always had serious issues with RS "notation" since the start, and I still have them when playing guitar charts. In fact, I mostly use RS with the bass instead, simply because there are less strings, less notes, and very few chords or solos I am not a fan of dynamic difficulties at all, but obviously you can use them to decrease the notes on the screen. Even with bass charts, there are still cases where the 3D graphics make it hard for me to figure out the exact timing of the notes, because two consecutive notes on different strings appear at a spatial distance which doesn't correspond to the time distance. What helps me there usually, is to try and look more at the tempo lines below the notes, instead of just at the notes (but be aware that there are CDLCs with pretty messy tempo lines). Open strings also confuse me a lot, and I wish there was an option to show them as a "zero fret" notes instead of the whole string highlighted. To top it all, sometimes the visuals don't seem to sync well with the audio... I tend to think this is a problem with my GPU or CPU because it seems to happen a bit random, but anyway when it happens I also noticed that my scores are better if I follow the audio instead of the video (meaning, if I don't try to "hit" the notes when they reach the bottom of the screen, but if I play them according to the audio), so I second arrov's recommendation to use your ears more than your eyes

I'm pretty sure this was done before, but it is now missing from Ignition.

I am not a charter of RS CDLC but only a user of them, and I have some experience with charting RB customs, so I only comment on the 3rd. In short, the best way IMO is to chart by ear, but obviously it's a serious effort. If you are not used to transcribing music by ear, look for official tab books as much as possible. With them you're 99% sure your chart will be correct without editing. There is still a chance of something not being correct even in official books so you can't totally turn off your ears, but most of the times they'll be perfect, and when they're wrong they are not likely to be far from good. If you use tabs from Ultimate Guitar or any other website including those who charge you, you have a much bigger chance they'll be wrong, even grossly so. Therefore you are going to need your ears much more, possibly to rewrite the whole transcription. The worst charts are those taken from the web and copy-pasted into RS without even testing them. There is an astounding amount of people out there who know nothing and care nothing about transcribing music but still feel the existential need to post some stuff on the web, and websites do not care about vetting either, they just want to boost their numbers. That's why most UG is garbage, let's try our best to keep RS clean! So the bottom line is, you can't do anything good or useful for music without using your ears. If you have to build around somebody else's work to make it possible, at least copy from professionals and not from amateurs.

Uhm... this is not the one on Ignition, and has both guitar and bass, I wonder why it was retired if it's a good CDLC. The one currently on Ignition has only bass, but I've playing it a lot and it seems quite correct to me.

"Buy a faster guitar!" Just kidding, but I wanted to kick off my response by this recurring joke among guitarists, because I believe that the most common wrong idea about learning an instrument is that you have to buy more material, more equipment, and spend more money in general to get good. It is bullshit, as long as you don't buy truly bad equipment (like the absolute cheapest option on the market), you are good with what you have. It is your own skills you need to develop, and to do that you need time and not money, but most importantly you need quality practice time. So as a long-time guitar player and occasional teacher, my first suggestion is to honestly observe and assess your own way of practicing: are you practicing mindfully or are you going through the motions? To clarify, to practice mindfully means to try your best to "listen" to yourself, not only with your ears but also with your fingers and rest of the body, and to be critical of your playing, not in sense of self-blaming, but questioning if there's a better way to do something and being willing to change how you do it. By converse "going through the motions" means to mindlessly repeat the same thing thousands of times thinking that one day all of a sudden it will work: the problem with that, is that you might repeat the same mistake a thousands times and get better at doing the same mistake instead of the right thing. Needless to say, practicing mindfully is a lot more efficient than going through the motions. Second, specifically on finger independence. If you think this is one of your major problems right now, one of the best exercises is the good-old chromatic one-finger-per-fret drill, the "1-2-3-4" which is typically one of the first (if not the absolute first) technical exercise every guitarist is taught to do. I think you know how this works: you start on low E string with your four fingers on the first four frets and play 1-2-3-4 frets (index,middle,ring,pinky) on each string up to high E, then shift your hand one fret up and play 5-4-3-2 (pinky,ring,middle,index) downward from high E to low E, then keep shifting up one fret at a time. However, there are a lot of common misconceptions about this exercise, so here I am going to tell you what I personally teach to others about this exercise... 1) This is not a warm-up. Do this exercise when you're already warmed up an "in the zone" for practicing. 2) Do not use the metronome, because the purpose of this exercise is not related to timing, and the metronome will force you to tense. It is instead a key purpose of the exercise to learn to relax all the fingers that are not currently playing a note i.e. when you're playing a note with the middle finger, try your best to relax the index, ring and pinky. 3) The 1-2-3-4 pattern (meaning I-M-R-P in terms of fingers) is actually the least important to practice, and yet most people only practice that one because it takes time (a few minutes) to go up all the frets and then maybe back down, so by the time the finished the exercise with I-M-R-P (and P-R-M-I when going from high E to low E strings) they are already bored and move to other exercises. But fingers independence develop when you practice other patterns! You have to try for example 1-3-2-4, 1-4-2-3, 1-4-3-2 and also starting with other fingers like 2-1-4-3, 3-1-2-4 (there should be 24 combinations if I remember). Don't worry, you don't have to practice all of them every time, it's good enough if on a given day you practice different ones from the previous day. I think it's best to set yourself the time you are willing to spend on this (even only 5 minutes is ok) rather than a fixed number of patterns. Last, for finger stretching, this is something you need to be patient about, it might be frustrating to wait a long time but you should definitely avoid hurting yourself and maybe have the opposite results at the end. One fairly obvious way to develop this is to modify the previous chromatic exercise by adding a "fret gap" between two of your fingers. In terms of frets, it means to do the chromatic exercise by patterns such as 1-3-4-5 (gap between index and middle), 1-2-4-5 (gap between middle and ring -ouch!!) and 1-2-3-5 (gap between ring and pinky). However, don't try these immediately from fret 1, where the gap is largest... start somewhere on the fretboard where your fingers are still comfortable (could be for example 7-9-10-11) and then move downwards gradually.

This used to be the stuff of legends, but... I quickly googled for "artificial intelligence based music transcription software" and a few names came up, all of which seems to be commercial (paid) software. Here's a couple of them: https://www.lunaverus.com/ and https://melodyscanner.com/ or https://guitar2tabs.com/ (by the same company). I can't vouch for any of these because I've never tried them, but you could look if they offer a free trial or demo version and see how they work on your audio files. I am thinking that, if you first split your audio file into stems with another AI-based software (and here some fully free options exist such as Spleeter and Lalal.ai, might not be that great but should work), then you might have a more or less isolated bass track for the transcription software to work with.

Thanks a lot! That's what I was hoping to hear

I realise this is a noob question, but I just want to be sure before I lose my stats. I am already starting to have an unwieldy long list of CDLC in my RS, so I've been thinking... if I organize my CDLC in subfolders for example by genre, and then on a given day move away some folders and leave only those I feel like playing, so that the in-game list is shorter, will Rocksmith lose the statistics (percentages, number of play, favourites) of the CDLC from the removed folders or will it remember them when I put them back to the game folder? Thanks!

I am not much of a help unfortunately as I have my share of audio/video issues too... First off, do you have a good GPU and are you using multiple displays? I decided to remove my GTX because windows would remove its drivers every few weeks, and I wasn't playing demanding games on this PC anyway, so now I have an old Quadro GPU which doesn't really support 3D graphics. With this GPU, Rocksmith works fine in full screen mode for most songs, but its video lags in windowed mode. It also lags in full screen mode for a small minority of songs, and to get rid of the issue for those as well, I have to disable my second screen. For the audio issue, I agree it can very well be related to audio exclusivity.

There's already a good bunch of CDLC of King Diamond, but surprisingly none from their first album The Fatal Portrait which IMHO is full of really cool riffs! It would be nice if someone would create some of them, perhaps my favourite one being Haunted due to it having an awesome bass in addition to two awesome guitars

These are good recommendations nevertheless, thanks! Naturally I already watched my share of online videos and I found doing so mainly useful to get a better understanding on proper technique in general and constantly re-thinking posture and movement of fingers, hand, arm and body. See how different people play differently, and try everything to find the way that suits me best. The reason why I'm looking for exercises is because I am going through a phase where I feel I need to sit down and do things repetitively. To develop muscle memory and progressively decrease tension. I am not happy about my right hand: alternating index/middle is not consistent (I start with either a bit randomly), volume is often unequal, changing strings is everything but seamless, and I get tired on long 16th runs. If I don't find exercises (books or otherwise) for this purpose, I'll have to make them myself or even try to adapt guitar exercises from technical books (for instance I wonder how the famous Stetina book would work with bass...) but I still hope someone knows about bass specific ones PS I am consciously trying to avoid using the pick on the bass! It is way easier for me as a guitarist but feels like I'm cheating I don't want it to become a shortcut otherwise I'll never learn fingerpicking properly. I understand it's part of the style and sound in certain genres (heavy metal, new wave, dark) but for learning purposes I'm trying to fingerpick everything. I make an exception only for some Thin Lizzy songs because they're one of my top favourite bands.

I come from practicing guitar in a very methodical way, and had plenty of books full of exercises focused on techniques and physical skills. For some reason, it doesn't seem just as common to find similar books for bass... most bass books I see around are about learning grooves and styles, or theory and improvisation. Which is great of course, and very understandable considering the nature and role of the bass instrument! But I also would like to put my hands on a book with plenty of mechanical exercises, to increase my skill level towards playing more challenging songs. Perhaps because I already play the guitar, I have the feeling that my LEFT hand is much better than my RIGHT hand at the moment. After all, as a guitarist I pretty much always use a pick with the electric, and even though I play fingerpicking on my classical, it's a VERY different kind of fingerpicking than the one used in bass So I definitely feel like I should seek out for exercises that can help my right-hand index and middle fingers be more consistent and precise when changing or skipping strings. Do you know and have you used such books for bassists?

What inspires you? Is there something that makes you rush back home from work (or whatever) to pick up the bass as soon as you can? If you've previously quit playing and you're trying having a second chance, I recommend first and foremost that you stay focused on the positives, whatever works best for you that makes you want to go back to the bass, and makes it hard to put it down when it's time to sleep. Is it RockSmith? Is it jamming over a background track? Is it doing exercises? Whatever it is, keep doing it in order to stay motivated and not quit again. If you're now motivated about improving your ear, here's a couple of things you can consider spending some time on (but be aware that usually any improvement on your ears takes quite a long time): - transcribe songs by yourself, write down your own tabs instead of looking for tabs on the web - try out some ear-training app on your mobile phone (I've used "Perfect Ear" at times, the free version is useful enough, no need to necessarily buy the full version) to learn to recognize the sound of intervals, scales and chords - if you have a piano/keyboard, use it to try and memorize the sound of intervals and chords, and possibly practice singing them (as in: play a chord you know on the piano, listen to its sound, then sing its notes in order) I suppose you can also just use your bass for this, but personally I find the piano more comfortable

Sorry for bringing your post up after months... As I could not find this specific model for a reasonable price, do you think the following AB/Y switcher would work also? https://www.thomann.de/intl/lead_foot_aby.htm

Uhm... I was pretty sure I downloaded many of James' Police CDLC quite recently, so I went ahead and tried some of these, and they all seemed to download fine for me?

As someone who had years of guitar trainings under different teachers, and then decades of self-study, but has otherwise learned bass almost entirely from RockSmith (obviously however, with plenty of synergies from already knowing the guitar...) I can say RockSmith is a very good tool that does something of its own which other forms of practice do not provide. Similarly, RockSmith doesn't provide other benefits which you can learn only by doing something else... Someone saying "you will not learn anything" is just as stupid as saying that you will not learn anything by having a teacher, by watching youtube instructional videos, by doing exercise books and so on: they are all useful for something, and the art of learning an instrument is about balancing your different methods in order to move closer to your goals. As I already mentioned, RockSmith didn't work for me with the guitar, not sure if it's because I am already at an intermediate level, because I am too comfortable with my established study habits, or because it doesn't match with my current goals... but it definitely seems to work very well for me to get to a usable level of skills with the bass! Still, I won't rely solely on RockSmith

As a bass player, I find the idea potentially useful, but if it's exactly the same chart I'd prefer to have it available under the same entry as the original CDLC in Ignition.

I noticed that when you report a CDLC, it is removed from the database listing automatically. This makes all sense when the reason for reporting is that the CDLC has simply disappeared i.e. the link doesn't work anymore, because it is pointless that it appears on the database if you cannot download it. However there are also other reasons available in the reporting mechanism, for example bad tone and missing DD. I don't want to report a CDLC for these reasons, because in my opinion the CDLC is still playable even with these issues. On the other hand... to me, a CDLC where the notes chart is out of sync with the music is completely unplayable, and I would rather not have it on Ignition than adding it to the game and finding out it's unplayable. Similarly, some occasional CDLC is charted so badly (meaning wrong notes all over the place) that it is useless. But "out of sync" and "bad chart" are not available reasons for reporting. What should we do in such case, should we report the CDLC or not?

Well what can we say if we don't have the same issue... you've already tried changing USB port, changing instrument, and re-installing various stuff. This might sound like a dumb question but are you sure the cable itself is undamaged? Have you had any chance to verify it's working on someone else's RS? Otherwise the only other possible blocker coming to my mind would be the driver, so you could try updating that via device manager in case it isn't getting installed automatically for some reason. That's just my guess because luckily all my RS cables always worked pretty much immediately, and when I occasionally got the "disconnected" message it's been always enough to unplug it and plug it back.

Rock And Roll Is Dead is a classic Lenny Kravitz hit that would be great to have in the game for both guitar and bass!

Are you looking at the CDLCs from the Custom Forge Song Manager? Because in that case I think it's showing you the tuning of each arrangement track. So "Drop D, E Standard , Drop D" might refer to Lead track being Drop D, Rhythm track being E Standard, and Bass track being Drop D. Or do you mean something else?

This thread is meant for maintaining a list of Italian artists with CDLC available on Ignition, since unfortunately we do not yet have an option for searching CDLC by language As a first idea, I am going to list only the artists names and CDLC count* rather than the full list of songs available for each, because I think that the challenging part is actually to find which artists exist in the database. Once you know there are CDLC for an artist, you can quickly make a search and find the songs themselves. *count excludes duplicates and takes into account only songs in Italian language Adriano Celentano, 1 song Andrea Bocelli, 2 songs Caparezza, 1 song Eros Ramazzotti, 2 songs Francesco Gabbani, 1 song Fred Bongusto, 1 song Ligabue, 17 songs Litfiba, 6 songs Lucio Battisti, 2 songs Maneskin, 11 songs Negramaro, 2 songs Negrita, 2 songs Nek, 1 song PFM, 1 song Raf, 1 song Rino Gaetano, 2 songs Subsonica, 1 song Tiromancino, 1 song Vasco Rossi, 12 songs Zucchero, 3 songs