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Hey all

After another cdlc of mine again was reported and will be removed by bot, I'm thinking about taking down all my cdlcs by myself. I rechecked the reported custom and still think it's good playable. Wrong or missing notes in the solo is just not true. The fhps in some chords are not correct, ok, but this is not not a big issue since it's for playing and not learning. If the sustain notes are touching following it is just like played, legato, also no issue in my opinion.

Those were the reasons for the report. 

I share all my cdlc work here since 10 + years, put many hours work in it and many of them I created because it was only junk available for the needed song or someone wished it. I definitely don't rework any of them, since I don't have that much time for it and am not any more up to date with all those programs.

I'm currently playing in two bands, working as a guitar teacher for more than 25 years, so you can trust my charts.

And now, if someone report any cdlc it is up to the charter to check and repair them. Why not still write it in the comments first?

Sorry, but noone pays me for all those hours. If my stuff is not good enough anymore, I just will take them off and save some cloud space for myself.

The links to my customs then will not work anymore. 

I'll give you a few weeks to grab any of the rest of my cdlc before I remove them.

Bye bye  

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Those reports are none of my bussiness.

Just don´t do it - we would lose a lot of loved CDLCs and more importantly you as a rock in the comunity.

Rod.

I see you have over 147,000 downloads, a big impact on a relatively small community!

Hope you feel some pride in that, a shame to see your work erased and you leave the community in response to criticism from a few.

Keep in mind that the Report functionality and process is always a work in progress. It is not set in stone and will change again. I am quite sure that the devs are constantly looking at how things work and how people are using them, and then correct the course. For instance I wouldn't be surprised if the amount of reports it takes to hide/remove a CDLC will be significantly increased in the future. You're not the only CDLC author who has expressed contrary opinions on the current Report system. If it's getting annoying to you, just ignore reports, don't bother updating your previous CDLC, and don't share new ones you make, but don't pull the plug completely. Especially if you have lots of CDLC made, statistically the more you make the more likely some will get reported, but on the other hand the very vast majority is not getting reported at all.

The report system will be modified and changed overall in the future if all goes to plan. I haven't focused on it because I have been working on other parts of the site. Please give us time to work on a solution.

Thanks.

On 4/15/2025 at 12:01 PM, fripponomic said:

Hey all

After another cdlc of mine again was reported and will be removed by bot, I'm thinking about taking down all my cdlcs by myself. I rechecked the reported custom and still think it's good playable. Wrong or missing notes in the solo is just not true. The fhps in some chords are not correct, ok, but this is not not a big issue since it's for playing and not learning. If the sustain notes are touching following it is just like played, legato, also no issue in my opinion.

Those were the reasons for the report. 

I share all my cdlc work here since 10 + years, put many hours work in it and many of them I created because it was only junk available for the needed song or someone wished it. I definitely don't rework any of them, since I don't have that much time for it and am not any more up to date with all those programs.

I'm currently playing in two bands, working as a guitar teacher for more than 25 years, so you can trust my charts.

And now, if someone report any cdlc it is up to the charter to check and repair them. Why not still write it in the comments first?

Sorry, but noone pays me for all those hours. If my stuff is not good enough anymore, I just will take them off and save some cloud space for myself.

The links to my customs then will not work anymore. 

I'll give you a few weeks to grab any of the rest of my cdlc before I remove them.

Bye bye  

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I honestly 100% agree with everything said here. So far haven't experienced that many reports, but the few i've gotten have made me annoyed enough by this. The bar should be that a chart isn't game breaking and that it is reasonably accurate. The bar should NOT be as high as it is right now. It's ruining a lot of the fun i'm having with charting myself. And as fripponomic wrote, no one pays us for all the freaking hours we put into charting. I love charting and helping out in the community, but if my chart can't have smallest, tiniest issue anymore without being accepted when i spend my free time on them, i'm honestly starting to be in the same boat. This is a great community run by great people and i hope the modifications and changes mentioned in this discussion is in the not so distant future.

 

The opinions of the author and those who support them are entirely valid, and I don't wish to inquire into the details of the debate. I simply want to add another variable to consider:

Personally, I'm immensely grateful for the new standard, as everything that's been released lately is significantly more fun to play and feels much closer to an ODLC. I honestly wouldn't like to see things go back to how they were before.

I'm sure many players have felt the same way recently.

 

I took a chart down recently because of a flag. Sleep Token reported for not being in E standard. I get it. Flags must be fair though.
I spend days on all of my charts and it does suck to get a report but I kinda thought this was the plan? Set a standard and we all stick to it?
I'll not delete another but I will fight reports when unfair going forwards. I manually do everything. Go above and beyond for every chart.
If the bar is "it doesn't crash" I can stop trying so damn hard with mine.
 

9 hours ago, enfantterrible said:

The opinions of the author and those who support them are entirely valid, and I don't wish to inquire into the details of the debate. I simply want to add another variable to consider:

Personally, I'm immensely grateful for the new standard, as everything that's been released lately is significantly more fun to play and feels much closer to an ODLC. I honestly wouldn't like to see things go back to how they were before.

I'm sure many players have felt the same way recently.

I think it's great that more people chart better with the new standard. But when the new standard also brings reports to charts that don't really deserve it, it's a really big problem. For example, a cdlc i uploaded yesterday was reported for sliding issues and fhp issues. I played through it and streamers played through it and the consensus was that a report for the chart was pure bs as the issues were so small and the chart so playable that a comment or a heads up would've been far better. A report for that chart was highly unfair and now it's stuck with a red flag linked to actual bad charts until it's approved. And that's what feels very unfair to me as a charter, after hours upon hours spent making something for the community, for free.

5 hours ago, Lukkeren said:

I think it's great that more people chart better with the new standard. But when the new standard also brings reports to charts that don't really deserve it, it's a really big problem. For example, a cdlc i uploaded yesterday was reported for sliding issues and fhp issues. I played through it and streamers played through it and the consensus was that a report for the chart was pure bs as the issues were so small and the chart so playable that a comment or a heads up would've been far better. A report for that chart was highly unfair and now it's stuck with a red flag linked to actual bad charts until it's approved. And that's what feels very unfair to me as a charter, after hours upon hours spent making something for the community, for free.

 

I agree that it would be a problem if a good CDLC could be removed for overly strict reasons. However, I don't believe the minimum standard being asked is truly that strict.

99% of the time spent creating a CDLC doesn’t go into the small details that are being reported, but rather into the things you already do to maintain your quality benchmark. Adjusting the new elements being asked for only takes a few minutes while you're working on the chart.

People have been used to playing CDLCs for years with absurd tabs or ones poorly represented with the techniques available in the game. On top of that, many are desynchronized, with nonsensical phrases, tones, volumes, and speeds, etc. In that context, yours are like manna from heaven.

But if people were used to the new standard, they would notice that paying attention to those details makes for a much, much better user experience.

That said, I know this is an issue the community has been dealing with since even before CF existed. There are many possible "solutions," each with its pros and cons. This one was chosen with the best of intentions.

Of course, as I said in my first message, I can understand if the majority of people were content with the previous state; I just wanted to point out that other perspectives do exist. After so many years, I think it’s a good idea for the community to try moving forward.

If anyone changes their mind, remember that there are creators on Discord who gladly invest a lot of time sharing their knowledge and tricks with others.

 

As a bass chart user, there are only a few things that I consider real dealbreakers:

- out of sync charts

- charts that are just copy-pastes of the main groove and completely ignore all the variations

 

Even factual errors in notes and rhythm don't bother me that much because I know how to fix them. That's also the case for notes length and slides, but I don't usually care enough to fix them at all.

But an out of sync chart is unplayable and requires a significant amount of work to fix it myself. And downloading a complex chart only to find that the author didn't bother to enter the variations throughout the song is appalling and irritating, as again it requires enough work to fix that compares to making it from scratch. 

I certainly wish to see red flags for such CDLC so that at least I could check out WHY they were flagged and then decides if it bothers me or not. Checking all comments for every single CDLC in case someone mentioned issues without reporting is not nearly as practical. On the other hand, I certainly wouldn't want a CDLC to be taken down automatically because of a report: staying visibly flagged is enough, also because if the author doesn't want to fix certain issues maybe someone else will. Even a non-starting CDLC might be easy to fix if someone looks into it. 

 

17 hours ago, ErikOfEngland said:

reported for not being in E standard

Removing a chart based on it not being in E standard is just ludicrous, absurd, nonsensical, ridiculous and absolutely foolish removal reason. There are many, many songs and charts that are not in E standard, it does not take that long to retune a guitar. It is either laziness or fear to not retune.

I'm not sure which CDLC @ ErikOfEngland are reffering to but I find no chart that have been deleted for such reason in any of the report.

He did report a CDLC that was in Eb std but with a missing capo resulting in a very problematic out of tune situation but that was resolved and the CDLC is still perfectly available on our database. It was a valable report and the charter fixed the CDLC.

We are aware of the frustrations the report can cause but we are indeed changing things in how we handle the process behind the report as well as how it is displayed through Ignition.

Deletion of CDLC is not the norm after a report and there is always a grace period to give both mod and charter time to take actions before anything automatic happens.

I know the charting standards set at the beginning of 2025 have caused a lot of pushback for many different reasons and that there is an uptick in reports (not all being warranted) following that change but we are available to talk over the situation calmly to find the best compromise possible.

I especially hope we can resolve both @ fripponomic and @ Lukkeren situations as nicely as possible to avoid any potential loss for the community.

1 hour ago, firekorn said:

He did report a CDLC that was in Eb std but with a missing capo

Well, that is indeed something that warranted being brought to attention and fixed. (and as stated was repaired).

1 hour ago, firekorn said:

I'm not sure which CDLC @ ErikOfEngland are reffering to but I find no chart that have been deleted for such reason in any of the report.

Apologies for the confusion. I deleted my own Sleep Token chart as it was flagged as incorrect tuning. I did it in B standard and have since done in it Drop E also but the flag was for it not being charted in E standard. I now know I can reach out to mods to discuss flags and stuff further. Appreciate the help. No more deletions from me. Onwards and upwards!

Is this a joke? Next report is the cdlc 21st century schizoid man  doesn't have spaces between the words. Is this kind of issue really any problem? That's just mean-spirited.

Without spaces as in, "thereisnospaces" kinda thing?

I know 2 streamers that do multiplayer and they also sing along. I was asked to add lyrics to my older charts but it's a lot to go back now. I'm trying to add them where I can though. Mostly only for those 2 individuals but still. No spaces may look a bit cramped.

none of my cdlcs have lyrics, except one. It's in the title only.  About 10 years back I can't remember the reason for this, maybe the tile was too long for the tool, idk.

But I definitely won't fix this. I guess it's time to take all off.

38 minutes ago, fripponomic said:

About 10 years back I can't remember the reason for this, maybe the tile was too long for the tool, idk.

But I definitely won't fix this. I guess it's time to take all off.

There really should be a moratorium for charts nearly a decade old. It was a different time, different tools,

Should things be brought current? Maybe with a new chart if someone else wishes to replace it or do a "better" version. The charts have already been and existed for years.

Requesting new charts that are being made be held to this standard is fine, and I am all for better charts, but to go back through the library and deadline or remove a chart unless it has an egregious / grievous / glaring error or bug in functionality is a different story.

Just my 10 cents because my 2 cents are free.

@ fripponomic I'll reiterate what I've said on the report discussion itself :

A comment back from 2016 already mentioned the issue. It also has been something that has been mentioned in the earliest set of rules for content to be properly named both in game and on the ignition record. It won't result in deletion of the content.

This would take you literally a minute to fix but you instead chose to go for another round of discussion around the topic.

You know the options we offer, we can discuss this calmly or you can keep on complaining about report. The choice is yours.

@ Sniper Reload3d What you say is already what we do. Content isn't deleted for that but that doesn't mean the report is wrong and there was rule back in 2014 that people already had to uphold and we will keep on enforcing the rules of the time the chart was made. I don't know how else to say any of that. Our process and rules have changed already.

My charts aren't perfect, but I've tried to fill gaps in the collections for bands I feel haven't been done that much. What brings value to CUSTOM FORGE are first and foremost the Admins and all the Charters. Start pissing Charters off with BS anonymous reporting and you'll get less charts. A person flagging or reporting a track HAS TO HAVE SKIN IN THE GAME. People who issue BS reports have to be blacklisted. And the Charters should have a say in that. I have a stack of great tracks, that are totally unavailable on CF, that I've made for myself that I haven't uploaded because the penalties for a minor detail are too aggravating.

Don't punish the Charters.

It seems just people are more aware and more active in reporting.  Probably because we've increased the tools available for reporting and information on what is reportable.  Last year and honestly the last 5 years, all I can remember hearing from the community was how many CDLC with errors and other issues exist on CF and how hard it was to find quality charts, let alone perfect charts on CF because moderation was relaxed on the quality of charts.  This is the pendulum swingback from those years of comments from the community to a more strict state.  The pendulum is already swinging back again to a more relaxed state, as Unleashed and the rest of us on the moderating team have improved and changed systems so that it doesn't just delete reported cdlc among other features.  

If the title being `21stCenturySchitzoidMan` instead of `21st Century Schitzoid Man` won't get fixed as an easy 30 second fix; how would any other charter with way more egregious errors, ever take responsibility to fix their charts?  They'd look to you as an example not to fix their charts.  That line of thinking is the exact reason many have given to not update charts. "X chart exists which is worse than mine, so why would I make mine better?"   Its seems silly but if we have less charts that can be used as an excuse, maybe the quality of all charts in general can improve because attitudes improve along with it.  Its an opportunity to be the change you want to see in the world.

I sure have some old charts that need fixing and I'm taking the time. I've even had people offer help which I've gladly taken. Mage_Gage helped me redo the first Good Tiger album that I had done during my infancy of charting.  I've gotten better since then and my charts post 2025 are at 2025 standards.  It sure is a long process but myself and many other charters have worked to improve that and created more tools like the #creators channel and #chart-feedback channel in Discord to help charters be the change we want to see.

This is the reporting that should have been done 10 years ago, and it just feels bad that its happening now because a charts been up for years ( even with comments asking for fixes ).   Its only gonna feel worse the longer its up without a report and then gets reported.  As firekorn pointed out, since the earliest rules the issues listed were things that were reportable.  

@ GoatHerd Point to me example of what you are referring to and talk to us about it when you see it and we can sort it out together.

That said, anonymous reporting aren't all that frequent at this point and admin and mod are always aware of the user that made the report so we can act if it is ever needed.

I'll repeat again that deletion isn't a thing, we've put in places alternative options and deletion only really happens for broken link at this point.

I'd be curious what you feel would be more appropriate penalties too. We are open to alter how we work and handle things but users also need to reach to us if they feel things aren't working so we can work on a solution.

@ GoatHerd Can you point us toward cases of BS reports? We do reserve the right to action users that abuse report but that's not something we've seen as necessary so far given what we've seen. If we missed something there, feel free to tell us.

I'm not sure what prevent you from making your content available on CF or what kind of penalties you think are too high currently but if you were to expose the problem clearly, I'm sure we could work out solutions to make as many users happy as possible.

2 hours ago, firekorn said:

@ GoatHerd Can you point us toward cases of BS reports? We do reserve the right to action users that abuse report but that's not something we've seen as necessary so far given what we've seen. If we missed something there, feel free to tell us.

I'm not sure what prevent you from making your content available on CF or what kind of penalties you think are too high currently but if you were to expose the problem clearly, I'm sure we could work out solutions to make as many users happy as possible.

Ok, just 2 examples. Got a report on a Billy Idol song, Dancing With Myself. Basically, the rhythm guitar doesn't play for a few bars in the track and the dude reporting that thought it was strange. Had a nice back & forth with the guy (a nice person) and demonstrated to him that yes, rhythm guitar doesn't play for 8 bars. He was also complaining that the guitar tone was too loud. Though not ideal, all guitars have a volume knob, and he could have used that. And I don't feel it's a reason to make me waste an hour+ revising the track, with all the negative feelings associated. Example #1

Just finished revising a Madness track that got flagged for some very minor note details on the bass. Basically, a few little slides. Example #2

I'm serious, I don't feel comfortable adding tracks to my list, because I feel all the onus & pressure is on the Charters. You guys need to make the person reporting feel some kind of responsibility. We don't get paid for this, as I'm sure admin doesn't either and I very much appreciate the work you guys do. But I don't have the time to rush over and keep having to save a track from oblivion every time someone who plays it for free doesn't think it's perfect. I'm just a dedicated amateur here.