I've pulled a few of my charts because of BS reports. I must admit that my desire to create charts has waned considerably since this reporting feature went live. 

I think the standards are a cool idea, but you guys are trying to impose a professional quality standard on amateur work. Charting is done out of love and not for money. Maybe create 2 chart categories, one that adheres to the new standard and accepts the reporting and one that is more lax, where people can submit tracks w/out lyrics, or missing a solo that was too hard to chart. And where people can request fixes the old way.

Or maybe require you to have published at least 10 charts before you can flag anything.

As for "everyone has been demanding this" I have helped create and run a very successful online gaming service with online championships that 15 years ago was serving 140,000 peer-to-peer games a day. People ask for stuff without thinking of all the implications, and often don't even know what they really like or not. CF has a ton of charts. And it would have much, much less if only perfect charts were accepted. Do people really understand the trade-off? I doubt it.

I've just received three bot messages warning me that three of my customs are about to be marked as abandoned. These "complaints" had previously been resolved with the admins. Come on, sort it out!

4 minutes ago, JamesPrestonUK said:

I've just received three bot messages warning me that three of my customs are about to be marked as abandoned. These "complaints" had previously been resolved with the admins. Come on, sort it out!

And you know there have been instances like this in the past where there are hiccoughs with the system and it will false flag things occasionally. If the chart does not have a report flag, it should not be removed/ abandoned. (I'm pretty sure I've said that to a couple of your charts before)
We do apologise for the inconvenience.

3 minutes ago, Emmy-Dell said:

And you know there have been instances like this in the past where there are hiccoughs with the system and it will false flag things occasionally. If the chart does not have a report flag, it should not be removed/ abandoned. (I'm pretty sure I've said that to a couple of your charts before)
We do apologise for the inconvenience.

As someone who spent 20+ years developing software applications, I feel your pain. Apology accepted 🙂

@ GoatHerd The onus always was and will always be on the creator of the content itself. That said, the time pressure can be changed or even alleviated, we already do this on a case by case basis when requested in the report conversation but I'm all ears to how we could make things better.

I also can't stress enough that nothing will go into oblivion, that's why I repeat constantly that deletion isn't a thing and that we have other solution that are far less radical currently in place.

We are really making an effort to improve the process for all but that also means we needs individuals feedback about it to tailor the details over time.

When it comes to people that requested fixes through comment, they have been largely ignored. We still see content being reported just now while the issue was talked about in comment back in 2014, sometimes with the charter promising a fix "soon". That clearly isn't working. The report system has been in place for many years already but was largely unused for a long time for different reasons. We are trying to change all that so that feedback left through comment aren't simply ignored and that report are more actively used to keep the database cleaner than it used to be. But those changes aren't painless or easy or fast but we are engaging with users to adjust the course as we are trying to change it all.

As for requiring any user to have published chart to report, that's a bad idea in many ways. Report are also about broken link and bugged chart and this does not require any charting knowledge to report. This idea has too many downside and would require us to create too many loophole and it'll also create some problematic incentive for the community.

CF has tons of chart because we've been letting anyone publish anything but it also created a reputation alongside it. It was perfectly fine early on but as tools have changed, knowledge have been gathered, there is a time where starting to have some minimum requirements become the next logical step to aim for a database of content that is more enjoyable for all. I don't think those standard are that extreme though maybe some of it could be altered. It's not an easy discussion but we are open to have it with whomever wants to offer their feedback about it.

We do understand that there's a trade off and that it'll slow the publish rate of content but that's something we are okay with at the moment. As for having two different categories, it's a logistical nightmare, a dev nightmare and we just don't have the ressources for such idea. We are afterall doing it for free on our spare time and some solution are out of reach sadly.

@ JamesPrestonUK  It is a bug when a mod/admin look up old report, you can ignore those message as there's no risk of anything happening. I'm sorry for the trouble this kind of notification brings.

 

8 hours ago, firekorn said:

We do understand that there's a trade off and that it'll slow the publish rate of content but that's something we are okay with at the moment. As for having two different categories, it's a logistical nightmare, a dev nightmare and we just don't have the ressources for such idea. We are afterall doing it for free on our spare time and some solution are out of reach sadly.

My eternal gratitude for the Admin & coding you guys do. I know it's very hard, and probably a lot of the feedback is negative because people only think of providing feedback when they don't like something. I'll say that many improvements in the last 1,5 years (at least) have been very good, and I for one do appreciate them very much! And like you I'm also a TRUST fan (I studied in a French school in Brazil).

On 4/17/2025 at 11:06 AM, Unleashed2k said:

The report system will be modified and changed overall in the future if all goes to plan. I haven't focused on it because I have been working on other parts of the site. Please give us time to work on a solution.

Thanks.

I Personally agree with what author said , the problem with this report system is that there are some few users who just reporting for every minor camera movment (fhp) and even (with me its just same user who is making reports on me after i wrote him a comment to fix some cdlc)

after you make the adjustment which usually is too much time consuming the mod is trying to find more minor "issues" and like this is an awful experience overall

if im making a green day songs it will be easier but if i making a tab that has hard rhythm and leads and bass it will just not worth my time to do this

and not only im not getting a proper thank you for hard work messages i need to like spend hours fixing stuffs that are super minor and chat with mods who threating to ban me or delete my cdlcs i made with hard work and love for the website , also if you look at my recent report who said "terrible cdlc" without any content , you can see that on dlc builder i have no issues there and i follow all the rules of the website

what this website mods and admins need to understand is that the work we are doing is for free , we are making tabs that are worth sometimes even 60$ of work or buying tabs or fixing tabs we got online and this for itself is very hard , and if you take this + reports to make the camera movment "perfect as possible" to them its not fun for me and like what being said above ,

btw i even have friend who said same thing they avoid posting songs in cf because of minor issues reports

and all of them agree with me that this is just way too much thinking about such minor stuffs

also example of back and forth with the mods over such minor stuff 

to all in this thread please visit us in the creators channel on discord to get help,  all of the items listed are major problems with the cdlc you create.  We have plenty of charters taking time out of their day, big shoutout to DJPavs for all the help,  to test charts, get feedback in our chart-feedback channel, and to provide fixes and teach how to avoid issues.  If you use the validate button in DLCB  which all charters should be doing, it will point out these issues.  

@ gamestabs3

Let me know which of those screenshot do you think showcase minor issues and which are major so that we make sure we talk about the same things :

Slides but FHP stays on the same fret, also impossible to tell if the player should play the C#5 again or play a D5 instead (8 fret partial barre)

First finger but FHP says it should be played with the middle finger instead 

Note out of the FHP highlight

Massive stretch that doesn't make sense

I haven't shown all instances of those different issue in your latest CDLC (which was reported "notes outside of lane" as well as "bad finger position" amongst other things).

Do you want me to continue to talk about the issue I can see in a single playthrough of your CDLC?

While I do agree that some report may be nitpicking about some stuff. I also don't think your CDLC are being reported for "minor" issues.

We are trying to help but you need to also do some work on your end for all of this to work.

30 minutes ago, firekorn said:

@ gamestabs3

Let me know which of those screenshot do you think showcase minor issues and which are major so that we make sure we talk about the same things :

Slides but FHP stays on the same fret, also impossible to tell if the player should play the C#5 again or play a D5 instead (8 fret partial barre)

First finger but FHP says it should be played with the middle finger instead 

Note out of the FHP highlight

Massive stretch that doesn't make sense

I haven't shown all instances of those different issue in your latest CDLC (which was reported "notes outside of lane" as well as "bad finger position" amongst other things).

Do you want me to continue to talk about the issue I can see in a single playthrough of your CDLC?

While I do agree that some report may be nitpicking about some stuff. I also don't think your CDLC are being reported for "minor" issues.

We are trying to help but you need to also do some work on your end for all of this to work.

i think i did good job on my side , you are looking over some fhp stuff and im pretty new to this , for example image one if i will make 5/7 7/8 /5 fhp it gives me an error in dlcbuilder

and also it was like not showing the 5 at the end 

so i decided to drop this and make it 5 , 

i love how you the mods try by force to look into stuff instead of like looking into no errors on dlc builder and some good stuff i did 

this is exacly why its not fun make cdlcs anymore

when ever i do those fhp fixing i keep getting more and more errors or fhp not showing up this is why i dont like the too much strict approch you have for those "minor issues"  im not working on ubisoft and even they not doing this to their dlcs from what i seen on rocksmith+

also lets continue this on the report page not here 😄

write all the issues you see and ill do what i can to fix it 

but im glad im saying what im thinking that this thing annoying me, when you play guitar you almost dont have time to look at those stuffs , 

8 minutes ago, gamestabs3 said:

i think i did good job on my side , you are looking over some fhp stuff and im pretty new to this , for example image one if i will make 5/7 7/8 /5 fhp it gives me an error in dlcbuilder

and also it was like not showing the 5 at the end 

so i decided to drop this and make it 5 , 

i love how you the mods try by force to look into stuff instead of like looking into no errors on dlc builder and some good stuff i did 

this is exacly why its not fun make cdlcs anymore

when ever i do those fhp fixing i keep getting more and more errors or fhp not showing up this is why i dont like the too much strict approch you have for those "minor issues" 

We've offered to help and you refuse to join the discord for some reason to get some help from others. All of the issue you are facing can be solved with help from more experienced people that are willing to help but you have to reach out a little to find that help.

And yes, we play and look at the CDLC live because it sometimes more practical than simply loading it into the Builder.

As for being "new", you've been at it since early 2019 and the info about managing FHP properly has been out before you started.

But again, none of those are "minor" issues as far as we are concerned, it seriously hinder the playability of your CDLC and needs to be adressed.

5 minutes ago, firekorn said:

We've offered to help and you refuse to join the discord for some reason to get some help from others. All of the issue you are facing can be solved with help from more experienced people that are willing to help but you have to reach out a little to find that help.

And yes, we play and look at the CDLC live because it sometimes more practical than simply loading it into the Builder.

As for being "new", you've been at it since early 2019 and the info about managing FHP properly has been out before you started.

But again, none of those are "minor" issues as far as we are concerned, it seriously hinder the playability of your CDLC and needs to be adressed.

i personally never had problem with fhps unless the camera is broken or in some rare cases , so thats why im saying this , and  i recently started to check the fhp more

im aware that the new rule saying that i need to check my fhps so thats exacly what im doing , as you see the dlc has so much notes its hard for me to follow everything , 

all the things you mention in the pictures are easy fix to do but if you are agree with what report saying "Terrible cdlc" over those issue , then i think its just wrong im sorry ,

5 minutes ago, gamestabs3 said:

i personally never had problem with fhps unless the camera is broken or in some rare cases , so thats why im saying this , and  i recently started to check the fhp more

im aware that the new rule saying that i need to check my fhps so thats exacly what im doing , as you see the dlc has so much notes its hard for me to follow everything , 

all the things you mention in the pictures are easy fix to do but if you are agree with what report saying "Terrible cdlc" over those issue , then i think its just wrong im sorry ,

Those are only a small portion of what I could screenshot that are problematic (there are also some issue that repeats everytime the same riff is played) because I don't think sending dozen of screenshot is helpful to showcase the different problem that can be seen by any user. It does make for what I would tend to qualify as a "bad experience" as a user of CDLC and what the standard aim to fix over time.

Sure some of those things can be fixed very quickly, that's also the point of the report so that you are aware those issue exist as anyone can miss a spot here and there in the process. It is also why we don't delete content or that the initial report don't add the red flag anymore and many other changes we've made for that process recently. We also give as much time as ones wants to fix those, you just have to keep us informed.

We do try to adapt the report system so that it doesn't feel as crushing but it also means charter have to make "better" content than they did before as most just weren't good in any kind of way. It's not easy, we know.

On 6/16/2025 at 10:22 PM, firekorn said:

Those are only a small portion of what I could screenshot that are problematic (there are also some issue that repeats everytime the same riff is played) because I don't think sending dozen of screenshot is helpful to showcase the different problem that can be seen by any user. It does make for what I would tend to qualify as a "bad experience" as a user of CDLC and what the standard aim to fix over time.

Sure some of those things can be fixed very quickly, that's also the point of the report so that you are aware those issue exist as anyone can miss a spot here and there in the process. It is also why we don't delete content or that the initial report don't add the red flag anymore and many other changes we've made for that process recently. We also give as much time as ones wants to fix those, you just have to keep us informed.

We do try to adapt the report system so that it doesn't feel as crushing but it also means charter have to make "better" content than they did before as most just weren't good in any kind of way. It's not easy, we know.

im glad that you changed the system , so basically its good change to not add the red flag , not delete the cdlc or give me like 2 weeks to fix it or.. 😄

this thing was very stressful and unnecessary imo as its a free work of cdlc maker , i dont think that it should bother the mods or admins like you who need to test the cdlc and post pictures this is also time consuming for you 

and im not scared of pictures im ok with learning how to make cdlcs better i just hope that the one who report my cdlcs will understand that this is alot of work and its very hard to make the tab itself and for me even more stressful and not fun getting those general reports without even acknowledge how hard it was to work on it

EDIT : 

nice lie that you say you wont delete cdlcs! im leaving it all there so people can see what exacly going on with this website

this will be my last cdlc i upload here (unless you change rules to something more ok without this horrific report system)

and also some friend thought about this(twitch streamers) :