No beat grid in leading silence

[manchot66]

Rebooted computer and had to reinstall EoF.  Before, when I would save a file, it would automatically put the beat grid into the leading silence so it's easier to see when song starts in RS.  Now it doesn't ask to do it and I can't find anything in the options to do it manually.  Any suggestions?

[Alex360]

BPM>push offset to zero

[Azrael]

But nooo, don't do that!

Please!

Please be aware that pushing the offset to zero will unsync the bars/measures of your charting.

 

Since end of september I have "fought" for the removal of this prompt: Please see this thread:

http://customsforge.com/topic/12197-problem-due-to-reset-offset-to-zero/

 

What you should do instead (how official DLC are produced) is use the function "push offset up", to produce only full bars before your first note.

This means in a 4/4 time signature, you have to push offset up 4 times (or eight).

If you want to now why it is useful to have the bars in sync with the music, please read this thread:

http://customsforge.com/topic/13688-how-to-add-a-metronome-to-any-song-metronome-bonus-arrangement/

In section (4) I also better explain the procedure above.

 

And while you're there, use the EOF function to place events (shift + e) to place count-in metronome ticks in the bar before your first note... just like it is done in official songs.

This is the best guidance to know when the song actualy starts. This is what you actualy want to achieve, right?

I know you are someone who cares for his customs, so please get rid of the bad remove-offset-habbit!

 

I beg you :D

[manchot66]

Lots of info, thanks.

[Azrael]

People care very much to sync up the beats/notes, and in my opinion kepping the bars in sync is nearly as important to get the most authentic experience.

 

Once you realized how it is supposed to work it's basically no additional effort in the charting process. On the contrary, it makes charting easier if you keep the bars in sync and set the time signature:

• The numbered bars in EOF and your gp5 source can be the same, so it is easier to compare stuff
• Changes to chorus, verse etc. basically always happen on the first beat of a new bar. So it is easier to choose where to put the sections when you see the bars in EOF

 

Futhermore, if you are curious, I suggest experimenting with the Metronome Bonus Arrangements and see if you like that feature ;)

[Xstatic]

azrael I get a strange eof error when saving if I dont push offset to zero it says there is already a phrase at the first beat but no count phrase.  does pushing offset forward fix that too?

[Azrael]

As far as I'm aware, the "missing count phrase" error comes up when your first beat contains a note.

This would be the case if you just imported from gp5 and didn't add any beats into your leading silence.

In a 4/4 time signature, you should then hit "push offset back" exactly four times.

 

It should look like this:

 

 

Then you get a whole bar (or measure) where you can place the metronome count-in ticks (with shift + e), because this is now your COUNT phrase.

This way you get to official DLC quality in that regard - therefore the error you encountered is a good one :)

 

Does that work for you?

[Alex360]

we could add count phrase automaticly in eof, using custom parameter - num of ticks or % of ticks per count  phrase, I don't know why I'm writing so :D

[Aludog]

A way to add a leading metronome beat based on the time signature to the audio file would be sweet. Songs would then be able to start similar to songs in Rock Band and the player would know what kind of speed she/he can expect.

[raynebc]

we could add count phrase automaticly in eof, using custom parameter - num of ticks or % of ticks per count  phrase, I don't know why I'm writing so :D

EOF does add a "COUNT" RS phrase if it's not defined, but if the beat on which it was going to put it has a different phrase already, EOF will complain about not being able to automatically do this.

 

As far as automatically adding metronome ticks to count into the song, it's something I felt was a little too complex to want to have done automatically. Depending on the song, the user may or may not have to add leading silence. Otherwise all that would need to be done would be to have a measure's worth of lead-in, use the push offset back function once for each measure's worth of beats and assign a tick RS event to each of those beats.

[Aludog]

So the tick event adds a tick sound to the audio file of a project that is saved with EoF? Nice. I didn't know that. I'll have to do some testing then. ;)

[raynebc]

It doesn't actually alter the audio, it tells the game to play the tick sound effect.

[Azrael]

So the tick event adds a tick sound to the audio file of a project that is saved with EoF? Nice. I didn't know that. I'll have to do some testing then. ;)

For more info about how that works and what creative stuff you can do with the automated ticks, I suggest you risk a look at this tutorial of mine!

 

Cheers

[Aludog]

It doesn't actually alter the audio, it tells the game to play the tick sound effect.

How the hell did I not know this already? Anyway, that's an even better solution. Thanks for the info.